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1 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tag removed)
Yellow Wagtail originally tagged as a Tree Pipit Anthus trivialis. ID has been amended but incorrect tag still there.
(If there's a Spanish speaker out there who can ask the photographer to remove the "Anthus-trivialis" tag this would help...)
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2 **RESOLVED** (at least enough for the index to work - scientific name tag is correct though still shows wrong common name)
Ruffed Grouse (I think) originally tagged as a Spruce Grouse. Correct ID has been acknowledged but incorrect tag still there.
3 **REMOVED** (no clarification forthcoming)
Hybrid Whistling-Duck. Tags confused showing different species combinations for common names and scientific names. Clarification has been requested.
4 **REMOVED** (no response from comment)
Tagged as Great Blue Heron (white morph). I may be wrong but the main subject at least seems to me to be a Great Egret. Not sure about the rear bird but it's in Texas where white GBH would be very unusual.
5 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tags removed)
Black-backed Wagtails Motacilla lugens leucopsis tagged "Motacilla alba" due to Black-backed Wagtail formerly being regarded as a race of White Wagtail M. alba.
  
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6 ** REMOVED ** (captive too)
White-headed Stilt Himantopus leucocephalus tagged as Black-winged Stilt H. himantopus. (Captive).
7 ** RESOLVED ** (incorrect tags removed)
Black-headed Gull Larus ridibundus identified as a Common Gull L. canus. Correct tags added but old ones still need removing.
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8 ** REMOVED ** (incorrect tags remain)
Tagged as a Black Tern, appears to be a Whiskered Tern.
9 **REMOVED** (disagreement over ID, but definitely not Jungle Myna as tagged)
Identified and tagged by the photographer as a Jungle Myna Acridotheres fuscus. This appears incorrect and Gini has suggested Bank Myna Acridotheres ginginianus as a better ID. I don't know how to tell Bank and Common Mynas but if someone can confirm the ID (I think Gini's ID was tentative?) I'll ask the photographer to remove the incorrect tags.
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9 - I think this is probably a common myna A. tristis (darker head than body, yellow bare skin around eye, dark iris, apparently white vent). It's not bank myna.
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1 - I asked, in Spanish, for the photographer to take the incorrect tags off. Hope it helps.
Update: the incorrect tags were deleted as requested.
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Thanks!
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#9 - Unfortunately the ID was not tentative. It was Steve's ID, he sent email about this one. I vote for binning it.
Dave - I like the idea of combining the 2 threads. Perhaps we could lock the old one and put a link to this one.
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#9 - If there is any doubt, bin it. There are other photos of both Myna species in the pool already.
My preference would be to keep both threads separately. This one for corrections, the other one for photographs with no ID.
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9 - It can't possibly be an adult bank myna. I can't find any decent reference to juvenile bank myna, but I'd be v surprised if it could look like this - tho surprising things do happen in Life.
If it's a common myna it's not a partic good/useful photo, thus binnable. On the other hand, if it is a juv bank myna, it's an unusual/uncommon (and thus valuable) photo.
And now I'll shut up. :-)
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OK, I'll bin the myna. We can always ask for it to be added back if Steve or anyone is able to clarify why it's a Bank Myna. Duncan (or anyone), are you happy with the other Bank Mynas? They're from Portugal, and to my eyes rather like the Portugese "Common Mynas" in the pool (this one for example) - I really have no idea on these.
One vote each way for combining or separating the threads. When I have time I will go through all my comments and the other threads and I suspect we'll have a lot more corrections to go in here. Perhaps we should keep them separate for now and then when that's out of the way we can reconsider combining them?
10 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tag removed)
Cattle Egret identified and tagged as Little Egret
Gini - don't suppose these tags weren't added by you were they?
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10 - yes, mine. Sometimes, when I got through many photos in one sitting I stop even looking at the photos. My bad.
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10 - oh, and I fixed it so no worries now. I guess I should update it so it is resolved? The title of the photo is still incorrect. Do we care?
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Thanks Gini. I've updated the entry to show its resolved. I don't think we need to worry about the title being wrong.
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I think those other mynas are OK as tagged.
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Thanks Duncan.
11 ** REMOVED** (tags not removed despite requests)
Grey Wagtail Motacilla cinerea tagged as Yellow Wagtail M. flava
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12 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tag removed)
White-naped Crane tagged with "Anthropoides virgo" (Demoiselle Crane)
13 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tag removed)
Ring-necked Ducks tagged as Greater Scaup
14 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tag removed)
Ring-billed Gull tagged as California Gull
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15 **RESOLVED** (it's a Siberian Stonechat)
Tagged as common stonechat (Saxicola torquata), but according to Clement's only the Siberian Stonechat (Saxicola maura) occurs in Hong Kong
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How about putting a special tag on those that needs amending?
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15 - yes, this is a Siberian Stonechat Saxicola maura. This is a recent split (and still not adopted by some authorities). Fortunately in this case it's easily resolved as far as the hyperlink index is concerned: all we need to do is add the "Saxicola maura" tag (now done). The incorrect "Saxicola torquata" tag won't do any harm as Clements uses this for African Stonechat which is one of our exceptions that uses the common name for the index.
maasha, thanks for the idea. Special tags definitely have their uses but my view in this case is that it's easier to keep track in a thread like this. When we identify an issue the thread enables us to air it and provide an opportunity to resolve it before eventually removing the photo from the pool if we can't resolve it. With tags there isn't quite so much visibility and opportunity to get other people's assistance in resolving the issues. Thanks though.
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16 ** REMOVED **
Tagged as Short-billed Dowitcher but I think more likely to be a Long-billed. Any dowitcher experts out there willing to give a definite either way?
17 & 18 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tags removed)
ID corrected but old tags waiting to be removed
 
19 ** NOT IN POOL **
Tagged as a Chiffchaff but appears to be a Willow Warbler
20 **RESOLVED** (no longer in pool)
Identified as a Vesper Sparrow but probably a Savannah Sparrow
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21 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tags removed)
Tree Pipit tagged identified as a Paddyfield (Oriental) Pipit.
22 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tags removed)
Pec Sand identified and tagged as a Lesser Yellowlegs
Gini, I suspect the tags for both of these were added by an admin - any chance it was you? If not I'll ask the photographers to remove them.
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Hi Dave - 21 and 22 were both my tags! Fixed now.
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Thanks Gini!
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23 ** RESOLVED ** (unless the African Black Duck option is still open?)
Mallards (I think) identified as Egyptian Geese. Can someone just double-check they're not African Black Ducks or something - I don't think so, but don't want to remove them if they are. Definitely not Egyptian Geese anyway!
24 ** REMOVED **
Tagged Swinhoe's Snipe but I'm pretty sure it's a Common Snipe. If there's any Asian Snipe experts out there though, feel free to confirm!
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23 - Agree, certainly not Egyptian geese. May be black ducks indeed. Wing patterns, etc correspond to what Sasol, Birds of Southern Africa depicts as black ducks in flight.
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My knowledge of African Black Duck is restricted to what it says in the Madge & Burn book on Wildfowl of the world. There the plate shows a much broader white bar across the centre of the wing than the one running along the trailing edge. Also it doesn't show any plumage as having the same contrast between the pale head and dark body which the front bird shows and the legs are more yellow. The photographer has now changed the tags to Mallard based on my comment - are you happy with this or do you still think it could be African Black Duck?
25 ** REMOVED ** (incorrect tags remain)
Identified as Black Kite Milvus migrans but I think it has to be a Buzzard Buteo buteo (unless anyone disagrees...)
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Oiled Brandt's Cormorant Phalacrocorax penicillatus (I think) identified as Double-crested Cormorant Phalacrocorax auritus
  
27 ** REMOVED** pending confirmation of ID
Identified as Eurasian Eagle-Owl Bubo bubo but probably a Pharaoh Eagle-Owl B. ascalaphus. Can anyone confirm either way?
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28 & 29 ** RESOLVED ** (tags amended)
American Herring Gulls tagged as Herring Gulls
 
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30 **RESOLVED** (incorrect tags removed)
Chipping Sparrows tagged as Song Sparrow
31 ** RESOLVED** (incorrect tag removed)
Cirl Bunting tagged as Yellowhammer
32 ** RESOLVED ** (tags corrected)
Night Herons tagged as Striated Heron
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33 ** RESOLVED ** (incorrect tags removed)
Western Gull tagged as California Gull
34 ** RESOLVED ** (incorrect tags removed)
Black Redstart tagged as Common Redstart
35 ** REMOVED ** (incorrect tags remain)
Tufted Duck tagged as Common Pochard
36 ** REMOVED ** (see discussion below)
Chiffchaff (probably Common) tagged as Iberian Chiffchaff
I'd commented that this was probably Common (but just possibly Iberian) Chiffchaff but I wonder if it was titled Iberian due to a misunderstanding/translation of my comment and the tags added by an admin as a result of the title?
37-38 ** REMOVED ** (incorrect tags remain)
I stuffed up this one completely! It's a Willow Warbler, at least I'm pretty sure it is. But when I looked at it 15 months ago I thought it was an Iberian Chiffchaff and it got tagged accordingly. My bad. My very bad.
 
36-38 aren't critical at the moment as the incorrect tags are all Iberian Chiffchaff tags and as they were the only Iberian Chiffchaffs in the pool I'll remove it from the index. But if we get any real ones in future we'll need to make sure they're resolved then.
I think the tags to 35-38 might have been added by admins - can you check please?
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Hi Dave -
35 - not my tags
36 my tags, removed them, but shouldn't it be binned?
37 & 39 are not my tags.
Happy New Year!!
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39 ** RESOLVED **
Tagged as a Blyth's Leaf Warbler and first official report (with image) of it from Taiwan. Does not appear in the Clements list for Taiwan and is not in the pool yet. Can anyone confirm the ID?
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Re 39 - Makgobokgobo, I wouldn't worry too much about it not being on the Clements list for Taiwan as I don't think Avibase gets updated all that quickly - if it's the first official report in Taiwan then I wouldn't expect Avibase to have it down as occurring there yet. Clements calls it Blyth's Leaf-Warbler (note hyphen).
Though I don't know how to identify these from the many other similar wing-barred Phylloscs (Phylloscopus warblers) I would imagine the ID is good as the description of it being the first official report implies to me that it has been identified fairly carefully. So far as I can tell the photographer is competent (I can't really tell of course, but he certainly has some well-identified birds in his photostream, e.g. a Dusky Warbler, not an easy species but correctly identified).
I was initially fooled by the appearance of ???? on this and other photos posted by this photographer (and some others). However rather than being a sign of uncertainty, I think these are actually Chinese (or other oriental) characters which display as ? on my computer as I don't have the software to display them properly. I mention this as I don't know if others might have been fooled in the same way or not.
I would definitely keep this one unless there's some positive suggestion that there's an error. I'll add it to the hyperlink list if you/others agree. I've also asked him to add the Dusky Warbler as we don't have any of them yet either...
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Re 36 - Gini, I'm as confident that this is Common Chiffchaff as I would be for almost any Chiffchaff in Iberia that I can't hear singing, so I hadn't thought of binning it. But actually that's not very confident at all, so I think you have a good point - we already have a fair few good photos of Common Chiffchaffs photographed in places where Iberian Chiffchaffs occur so it may well be better to bin it.
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40 ** RESOLVED ** (Removed)
Tagged as Worm-eating Warbler (Helmitheros vermivorus), which would make it a new species for the pool. Is this photo adequate for identification and can the ID be confirmed?
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40 - no, it's not a Worm-eating Warbler, it's a Carolina Wren. I've added a comment on the photo explaining why - it remains to be seen if the photographer agrees (he seems quite sure it's a Worm-eating Warbler at the moment).
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Dave, thanks for your assistance.
Re 39:
Wanted to make sure the ID was correct before adding the "newbird" tag.
Re 40:
Doubted the use of this photo as it is not very clear. We should keep it in the pool if it was a new species. Now it is not, I'm in favour of removing it.
Re 36:
If there is confusion over the ID and we have some good photos in the pool already, I'm all for binning it.
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That's fine with 39 - now added to the hyperlink list along with some others.
Not fussed about keeping/removing 40 provided the photographer accepts the ID, definitely remove it if not. We have much more useful Carolina Wren photos so I wouldn't miss it if it got removed!
36 binned.
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41 ** RESOLVED ** (ID thought to be correct, though further confirmation would be welcome)
The photographer has this tagged as a White-breasted Cormorant, but I miss the white it should show and I am just wondering whether it is not an immature Cape Cormorant.
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42 ** RESOLVED ** RH bird is Chinese, middle is Little, LH is probably Little
Chinese egret and little egret, but what is number 3? A different plumage of the chinese egret as the photographer suggests?
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41- Would an immature Cape Cormorant show yellow lores I wonder? This breeding adult doesn't, so my guess is that immatures wouldn't either. I don't really know Cape Cormorant but I wouldn't expect the yellow skin to be shaped quite like this. I do see your point about the lack of white, but my guess is that this is correctly identified (although Clements V treats it as a race of Great Cormorant). But you know South African birds a thousand times better than me!
42 - My guess is that this shows a Chinese Egret (right) and two Little Egrets, but I don't know much about Chinese Egret. He has another photo of the left two birds which he's labelled as one of each (I added the latin tags to that one so one can be removed if need be) - I've asked him to confirm if he's sure about that (and if so, how he identifies them). All 20 Chinese Egrets on the OBC website have at least some yellow/orange in the bill.
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43 **RESOLVED** Cattle Egret (Bubulcus ibis)
This is labelled as a cattle egret, but it has yellow upperlegs. Certainly our cattle egrets do not have this (in fact yellow upperlegs are diagnostic for the yellow-billed or intermediate egret). Can anyone shed light on this?
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Hi Dave,
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Wish I knew the South African birds that well! I've never identified a Cape Cormorant before, but in my Sasol Birds of Southern Africa, the immature seem to show some yellow colouring at the base of the bill. As said, the lack of white made me doubt the photographer's ID.
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Agree the middle bird is a little egret, but I assumed the left bird was the chinese egret because of the other photo where it was identified as such. I therefore wondered about the ID of the right hand bird. I doubt whether the left bird is a little egret as it seems to be smaller and does not have black legs.
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41 - where's Buckeye when we need him... My vote is to assume the ID is correct unless someone comes along who knows otherwise. I don't recall the photographer making errors in the past, though whether I would realise if he had is doubtful - I'm rubbish on African birds (as you can tell!).
42 - I reckon the peculiar leg colour is due to mud, not actual colour. It would be really useful if someone who actually knew how to identify eastern egrets came along! So far as I can tell from trawling sites like OBC and of course our own pool, the only thing the two dark-billed birds can be is Little Egret. The yellow-billed on the other hand I don't think can be Little Egret, and I lean towards Chinese Egret more than say Intermediate Egret as an alternative. I hope someone will come along soon and confirm though.
43 - weird. Short stocky bill, short-looking legs, thick hunched neck all look good for Cattle Egret, bill colour and eye/lores also good for Cattle Egret. Buff crown surely means it's definitely a Cattle Egret. Cattle Egrets' leg colour does appear quite variable - they can get very pink in breeding season and at other times can be wholly or partly pale - but I've not seen them showing such bright yellow leg bases as this before. The nearest I've come across is this (definitely Cattle). However, with all the other features OK for Cattle and I think wrong for any of the other Florida options (I'm assuming that's where it was photographed) it's got to be Cattle I think.
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Thanks again Dave,
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Will assume ID is correct.
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I have looked at the photo again, but this time in original size, and concur that the left bird is a Little Egret. However, the leg colour does not seem to be caused by mud! As for the other bird, I assume it is a Chinese Egret. It does not have the yellow upperlegs of an Intermediate Egret.
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Weird indeed. The bird does have all the features of a cattle egret apart from the yellow leg bases. Will stick with the Cattle Egret ID.
BTW: Thanks for the link
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44 & 45 ** RESOLVED ** (tags corrected)
Dusky Warbler tagged as Oriental Reed Warbler (not critical at the moment as no ORWs in the pool/index). A third photo was removed as the features aren't clear.
 
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46 ** RESOLVED ** (tags fixed)
Superb Fairywren tags fixed
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47 ** NO LONGER IN POOL ** (probably a Dunlin)
Identified by the photographer as White-rumped Sandpiper (Calidris fuscicollis), but looks more like a curlew sandpiper to me. Can anyone confirm?
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Relooked and agree they are mallards.
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I think 47 is a Dunlin.
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48 **RESOLVED** Southern Caracara (Caracara plancus)
Shot in Argentina. Identified as either a southern caracara (Caracara plancus ) or a crested caracara ( Caracara cheriway). Tags include both scientific names.
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Regarding the last post (48)--I thought it was C. placus, but somebody else identified as C. cheriway.
Is one name more appropriate than the other?
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Crested Caracara Caracara cheriway and Southern Caracara Caracara plancus were formerly considered to be one species. When they were one species I believe they all carried the common name Crested Caracara but the scientific name Caracara plancus (or Polyborus plancus).
When this was discussed previously here, Steve (Cuckooroller) gave some handy information about where the different forms of these two species live - based on that information I think yours has to be what is now called Southern Caracara Caracara plancus.
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Thanks Dave. I'll update the tags to make it southern caracara.
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49 ** REMOVED ** (incorrectly tagged fledglings)
Brazil. Brown one identified as a Cocoa Thrush (Turdus fumigatus), but the black one?
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50 ** RESOLVED** Removed. Nestling.
Argentina. The photographer identified it as Tawny-throated Dotterel (Oreopholus ruficollis), but seems not to be certain about it. Can anyone confirm? It would be a new species for the pool.
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51 ** REMOVED ** (incorrect tags remain)
Red-necked Phalarope tagged as Red Phalarope
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Makgobokgobo,
49: Juv. Shiny Cowbird (Molothrus bonariensis - the black one) & juv. Pale-breasted Thrush (Turdus leucomelas - the one he mistakenly ID'ed as a Cocoa Thrush).
50: Not up to speed on South American waders that are this young, but yes, it does look like a Tawny-throated Dotterel in the moult between pullus and juv.
By the way; the birds on the first photo are of an age where they still are attended by the adults and either are at or near the nest. The bird on the second photo hasn't even completed the changed to juvenile plumage yet, and certainly is of an age where it is attended by adults, too (indeed, I suspect he was able to pick it up and take the photo, as it was pressing against the nest rather than fleeing as they'd do when they're older). So, it is questionable if either photo should be allowed as per the rules: "Photos of nestlings require an explanation of how they were photographed in the caption."
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Thanks Rasmus,
Point taken. 50 removed. Opinions on 49? Remove or retain?
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51 ** RESOLVED ** Booted Eagle Aquila pennatus
South Africa. Identified as Wahlberg's Eagle, but believe it's a Booted Eagle.
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52 ** RESOLVED ** (ID confirmed)
Identified by the photographer as Charadrius bicinctus, banded dotterel, a NZ endemic. However, Charadrius bicinctus is a Double-banded Plover according to Avibase and not endemic, nor does a Banded Dotterel appear in the list. What is correct?
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Banded Dotterel is listed in Avibase as an alternative name for Double-banded Plover; this is indeed Charadrius bicinctus. So far as the term endemic is concerned, I think of it as meaning something that doesn't occur anywhere else. As the photographer acknowledges in his description, this species does winter elsewhere, so if I'd been him I wouldn't have used the term endemic (and nor does Avibase apparently). There are slightly different definitions of the word out there though, and one of them might allow its use for birds that don't breed elsewhere, in which case it's accurate. But it's a Double-banded Plover (aka Banded Dotterel) anyway!
If anyone can confirm the name Banded Dotterel is in widespread use, I'll add it to the hyperlink index as a cross-reference.
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49 - Agree, I shall remove it, along with another fledgling tagged as Cocoa Thrush but presumably the same Pale-breasted Thrush.
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Dave,
52 Thanks for the clarification.
49 Good.
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53 ** RESOLVED ** Thrush Nightingale
Russia. Identified as nightingale and Erithacus philomela.
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