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My fault. Removed.
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72 ** RESOLVED ** (ID and tags corrected)
Tagged as White-tailed Tropicbird but a couple of people have suggested it's not (looks more Red-tailed to me).
(This was raised previously on the old Problematic IDs thread which reminds me, I was going to go through that and extract any unresolved ones. I'll try to do that later, but not tonight.)
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I think this photo was removed from the pool:
I know it's not the best picture, but it is the only picture of this species in the pool, and I think it was tagged correctly.
Can someone explain why this pic might be removed from the pool? Is it just the quality of the photo?
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I did not remove the photo - but you would not be able to identify the kingfisher from this image, which is the point of a field guide.
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I didn't remove the photo but the birds are too distant. You must go back and get another shot! :)
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Ah, if only tickets to Tahiti were cheap! But it can be a very expensive trip...
The kingfishers are actually pretty easy to identify. They are the only birds that look like that on the island. But that's because all the other native land birds (aside from a fruit dove) are now extinct.... :(
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***RESOLVED*** Removed with an explanatory comment.
All of these Rainbow Lorikeets with non-standard plumage are in zoos. They seem to be a hybrid bred in captivity. There are seventy images of non-hybrids, should these be tagged hybrid or captive? Or deleted?
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I corrected this picture. It is indeed rubricauda based on an out of focus closeup... Thanks Dave for pointing out.
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How do we deal with this one? Javan and Chinese Pond-herons are not seperable in this plumage.
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I vote for removing hybird rainbow lorikeets from the pool. I suspect we have plenty of photos of wild rainbow lorikeets which means it is a good time to remove all of the captive ones. Any photo of a captive bird should have the captive tag.
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Hi Folks
If you go to the common bird index and click on African Pied Hornbill
You will find three shots of Malabar Pied, taken in Sri Lanka.I notified the photographer and added tags but it may be a while before he sees my comment.
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Raphael, I recall seeing your kingfishers photo a while back and although I can't remember if I removed it or not, I probably would have done. I agree we can afford to be less fussy when it's a new species for the pool, but they do really need to be big enough to see what they are. Sorry!
Re the lorikeets, if they're unnatural plumage and captive then I agree, bin them - especially if there are already plenty of natural wild ones. Captive birds which are bred to have unnatural plumage aren't necessarily hybrids - if I understand it rightly a limited gene pool from a small population creates a high frequency of aberrancies and the aberrant birds are selectively bred to achieve desired plumage effects. Hybridisation is different - a straightforward cross breeding of two different species. If they were straightforward hybrids between two known species I'd be happy to keep them, but I doubt if they are.
Sounds like the Pond-Heron is most likely a Javan and if so it would be useful to keep it as we don't have any similar aged Javans in the pool. But even if that's a reasonable assumption, I wouldn't want the Chinese tags to stay there so it comes up on both... Dunno. Maybe safest/easiest to remove, or maybe someone can confirm if Javan is now known to occur there (is Cuckoo-roller about any more - he would probably know that?)
Thanks Martin - we'll keep an eye on the Hornbills. I'll also remove African Pied from the indexes as we don't have any real ones, but that won't stop them coming up on Alastair's index.
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Why not tag the pond heron as both? - that way it remains useful. Not being able to identify a species at a given time of year doesn't seem a reason to act as if it doesn't exist.
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I can see sense in that, at least until such point as someone can say with reasonable confidence (whether on geographic grounds or whatever) that it's one or other species. What do others think?
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Sounds reasonable to me.
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Going back to the Pacific Swallow discussion here, as far as I can tell, although Clements V edition had Hill Swallow dominicola split from Pacific Swallow Hirundo tahitica, the 2005 update has lumped them (here). The Welcome Swallow Hirundo neoxena remains separate. The tags are therefore correct and I'll add Hill Swallow to the hyperlink index as a subspecies next time I do an update.
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73 & 74 ** RESOLVED ** (tags corrected)
European Bee-eaters tagged as European Rollers
 
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75 ** RESOLVED ** (incorrect tags removed)
Either Yellow Wagtail or Eastern Yellow Wagtail, tagged as Forest Wagtail
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Brown Cuckoo-Doves tagged as Slender-billed Cuckoo-Doves (following on from this discussion)
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79, 80 & 81 ** RESOLVED ** (tags corrected)
Tagged as Grey Herons but I don't think that's right. Could be Black-headed Herons maybe, but that's not a species I know.
(confirmed as Black-headed Herons - see below)
  
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79-80 - Black-headed heron, immature
81 = 79 (!)
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Thanks - I've updated 79 to show the thumbnail I intended!
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That one too. :-)
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Following previously featured here on the old problematic ID thread, but still tagged incorrectly:
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Village Weavers tagged as Little Weaver
 
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Green Heron tagged as Striated Heron (if I understand the splitting issue correctly)
Were these tags admin-added?
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Hi Dave, 84 had my tags and I removed them.
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85 ** RESOLVED ** (tags corrected)
Common Sandpiper tagged as Terek Sandpiper
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86 ** RESOLVED ** (scientific name tag corrected)
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85 - my tags, I removed them.
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86- only the latin name was mine. I removed. Sheesh I add a lot of tags. I assume the photographers know when I don't know. Sorry the process is such a pain.
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Thanks! That's all we can do - I'm the same with a lot of species I don't know.
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The following are all White-headed Stilts Himantopus leucocephalus but tagged as Black-winged Stilt Himantopus himantopus (consequence of a split rather than misidentification):
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**Resolved**
Phalacrocorax carbo
Phalacrocorax carbo lucidus
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White-breasted cormorant Phalacrocorax lucidus (split from great cormorant by Clements)
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Are you sure? Unless I'm mistaken Avibase's version of Clements has White-breasted Cormorant listed as a subspecies of Great Cormorant...
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True. Apparently.
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Misidentified sunbirds:
www.flickr.com/photos/herta2007/394476754/in/photostream/
www.flickr.com/photos/herta2007/394466864/in/photostream/
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Thanks - the incorrect tags appear to have just been removed (and unless others were removed before I first looked, they were in the wrong format anyway); I've added the new ones in the correct format.
This one doesn't have a comment there any more (I think it did when I first looked?) - I'm assuming the ID shown is the one you've corrected it to and have tagged it as such: Orange-breasted Sunbird Anthobaphes violacea - can you confirm that's correct please?
Your comment remains on this one (Southern Double-collared Sunbird) - am I correct in assuming that this one is the same?
Thanks
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On the orange-breasted sunbird I left a comment and no tags. Comment has oddly disappeared! ID now correct.
Yes, the other 2 are both southern double-collared Cinnyris chalybeus.
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Thanks.
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Hi there - whenever I put the bad tags I'll let you know. These weren't mine, can't solve the mystery.
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update on 42: we've had confirmation from a well-known far-eastern expert that the three birds include Chinese (right), Little (centre) and uncertain but most likely Little (left). Hence 42 is correctly tagged with both species but I'll remove this one which probably only contains Little Egrets (two of the same three birds).
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Resolved: Buceros bicornis
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94 removed
Todirostrum? from Brazil
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93 - Probably great (pied) hornbill Buceros bicornis.
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93 Having trolled through Buceros images on the net, I think B bicornis is right.
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95 Anhinga melanogaster
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I don't have an Australian reference but isn't this a Darter?
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95 I think it is a darter! Here's another australian darter in the pool
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Yes.
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96 ** RESOLVED ** (Barred Antshrike Thamnophilus doliatus)
A Thamnophilus from Columbia
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97 ** RESOLVED ** (tags corrected)
Identified as Musk Lorikeets but using scientific name for Litlle Lorikeets
![Musk Lorikeet [Glossopsitta pusilla] again!](http://farm1.static.flickr.com/160/357537448_1200b8bd35_t.jpg) ![Musk Lorikeet [Glossopsitta pusilla]](http://farm1.static.flickr.com/162/352393256_cf2ed7b274_t.jpg)
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Identified as Indian Bushlark but using the scientific name of Bengal Bushlark. Is Indian correct?
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Identified as Black-headed Sibia but using the scientific name of Long-tailed Sibia. Black-headed isn’t listed in Avibase as occurring in Thailand but Black-backed Sibia which is split from Black-headed is listed – is that what this is?
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Noisy Miner with extra scientific name tag for Black-eared Miner
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Greater Racket-tailed Drongo with extra scientific name tag for Lesser Racket-tailed Drongo
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Streaked Saltator with extra scientific name tag for Lesser Antillean Saltator
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97 - Musk lorikeet Glossopsitta concinna.
98 - From the boldly streaked chest and buffy belly, I'd take this to be Jerdon's bushlark Mirafa affinis (Indian bushlark M. erythroptera is said to have a whitish belly). There looks to be rufous in the primaries, but I don't think that helps either way.
99 - On range, this has to be dark-backed sibia Heterophasia melanoleuca (it's certainly not long-tailed sibia H. picaoides).
100 - Noisy miner Manorina melanocephala.
101 - Greater racket-tailed drongo Dicrurus paradiseus.
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Parrot ** REMOVED ** (ID not resolved and we have several of both species in pool)
Parrot
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103 common waxbill
from Brazil
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104 Chanting Goshawk tagged as both Melierax poliopterus and canorus
*resolved* M canorus
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105 ** RESOLVED ** (tags corrected)
Apparent Antillean Nighthawk tagged as Puerto Rican Nightjar.
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106 ** RESOLVED ** (ID confirmed and tags corrected)
Phylloscopus chloronotus simlaensis or P humei or ...?
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www.flickr.com/photos/val6425/267701461/
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I'm sure these are mistagged as Brush Cuckoo, C. variolosus. They may be Chestnut-breasted Cuckoo, C. castaneiventris, but not Brush Cuckoo.
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Thanks Aardvark. Chestnut-breasted Cuckoo isn't listed as occurring in Philippines (they're labelled as Cebu), although Avibase lists aren't always 100% accurate. I can see it's quite different from your Brush Cuckoo, though I presume that's a different race from Philippine birds; it's much more similar to this one of the race sepulcralis, but I have very little knowledge about Asian cuckoo identification. If we can get to the bottom of what this actually is, we'll be able to resolve it easily as the tags are mine (based on the photographer's ID).
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Dave - I'm sure the Philippines bird is not a Brush Cuckoo Cacomantis variolosus - a) NO yellow eye ring is diagnostic for the Brush (in Australia I mean), and b) the images shown match exactly my field guide for the Chestnut-breasted, and c) the strong full-length chestnut front is pretty distinctive.
EDITED: This is the weirdest thing! I've just checked more images more carefully, and there is a whole raft of images of the same bird in the wild in Philippines
www.pbase.com/liquidstone/fave_cuckoos
and all labelled Brush Cuckoo Cacomantis variolosus sepulcralis.
But the weird thing is that they all look precisely like the images of Cacomantis castaneiventris in my books, and completely unlike C. variolosis variolosis in any book I can find. It seems unlikely that a subspecies "sepulcris" would be so different from the nominate race as to include a yellow eye-ring which is used for diagnosis away from that species? Or that the subspecies would happen to look IDENTICAL to a different species? I mean, it is absolutely identical as far as anyone can tell from photos, including a marked full length chestnut front, (completely different from the nominate) and (possibly) different tail patterning.
My summary conclusion is that the same bird is called a Brush Cuckoo Cacomantis variolosus sepulcralis in the Philippines, but a Chestnut-breasted Cuckoo Cacomantis castaneiventris Australia!
Then there is the Rusty-breasted Cuckoo Cacomantis sepulcralis that looks the same again! Going by it's scientific name, I think there is scope for mass confusion here.
If they are correct then I don't see how anyone can usefully use our images here for ID purposes.
Very strange but I don't have enough bird knowledge to know how to resolve this. I'd love an expert to set me straight.
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aaardvark,
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An interesting dilemma.
If it's of any help I would just say to take a look at Island Thrush (Turdus poliocephalus).
Thinly spread from Indonesia to the West pacific, it can be entirely black with bright yellow eye-ring, bill and legs (Fiji) through to having a pure white head jet black upper parts and a bright orange belly (Taiwan) .
So the same variability may be true for your Cuckoos.
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Variability I can comprehend and I guess there are plenty of birds with extreme variation in morphs, but varying to look identical to a distinctly different looking species is a bit strange no?
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OK, I think I've got it...
It seems that Rusty-breasted Cuckoo is sometimes treated as a species in its own right, Cacomantis sepulcralis but sometimes treated as a race of Brush Cuckoo: Cacomantis variolosus sepulcralis. The Clements 5th edition list which we use has it as a race of Brush Cuckoo.
The Oriental Bird Club website has a number of images of Rusty-breasted Cuckoo (which it treats as a separate species) and most of the adults look pretty much like this bird (at least they have yellow eye-rings and a strong peachy colour on the underparts).
I assume then that the photos are of Rusty-breasted Cuckoos and therefore, according to Clements 5th, a form of Brush Cuckoo - albeit quite a different-looking bird from the Brush Cuckoos you get in Australia. Incidentally, the few photos I've found of Chestnut-breasted Cuckoo show a bird with much deeper coloured underparts, though I've no idea if they're representative of the range of variation.
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** Photo is no longer in the pool **
This guy is tagged as both house and purple finch:
www.flickr.com/photos/camdensphotos/114318595/in/pool-bir...
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Wren: www.flickr.com/photos/davao8/445624926/#comment7215760005...
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108 ** RESOLVED ** (tags corrected)
Tagged as a Dark-bellied Cinclodes, it's a Gray-flanked Cinclodes (Cinclodes oustaleti).
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This is Common Waxbill (Estrilda astrild)
Introduction from Africa.
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HI there - I just put 96 in the 'removing soon' topic. It doesn't have a complete ID yet, should it be over there or here? Sorry about the duplication.
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109 Glaucous-winged x western hybrid
Washington, could be a Glaucous-winged Gull or a hybrid? Dave?
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BC, Canada
another tough gull ID
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109 looks like an Olympic Gull to me, but it would probably be safer to wait for Guy's input. Along with others in the comments, I don't see any reason to think 110 isn't a Bonaparte's Gull - it's certainly not any of the other species that have been suggested.
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Thanks so much, Dave!
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Yup. 109 is a hybrid Glaucous-winged x Western Gull.
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Thanks, Guy and Dave.
I'm going to take 96 out of the 'removing soon' thread so it is just here.
Hope everyone is having a nice weekend. It is raining like crazy here.
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** RESOLVED ** (and photo isn't in pool any more anyway)
I think this photo www.flickr.com/photos/mveaches/438560642/in/pool-42637302... is incorrectly tagged causing it to go into the wrong group. Here's my comment on the photo which also provides the explanation of what I'm talking about...
"I think this photo is tagged incorrectly causing it to go into the wrong pool on Field Guide. You have it tagged ardea herodias occidentalis. However, I think it should just be tagged ardea herodias. Ardea herodias is the Great Blue Heron but ardea herodias occidentalis is actually a morph commonly known at the Great White Heron."
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