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Bernd Mechsner  Pro User  says:

This sunset was shot yesterday and the HDR was made and tonemapped from 7 bracketted shots (-3EV to +3EV) in Photomatix 3.
It makes me confused; first I liked it, then I hated it and now I don't know what to think. Some of my colleagues like it very much while others don't like it at all.
What do you think?
Incheon Songdo Sunset 2
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hermanau  Pro User  says:

i don't hate it, but it's not spectacular. Don't think the HDR effect adds much to the image either except bringing out some colors of the trees but the sunset which was supposed to be the main thing of the image is suppressed. A normal single proper exposure would probably look better.
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Jonas Thomén  Pro User  says:

If I had to choose between like or hate, I will have to go for hate it... but you'll get there...
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Bernd Mechsner  Pro User  says:

@hermanau
You are absolutely right - not spectacular at all. The whole area there is not spectacular either. Actually I tried to get out as much as possible from the single RAW shots in PS ACR. However the light is still so strong that if I want to capture the red colours of the sunset then the foreground is just a black silhouette; lightening up the shadows will introduce too much noise and still too little detail. The HDR at least let's you show the foreground details as much as our eyes see them - but again thse details are not spectacular.
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Bernd Mechsner  Pro User  says:

Taken from a bit another angle I got this one:
Incheon Songdo Sunset HDR
Personally I don't like it either because Photomatix lightended up the sky in between the trees too much - I din't find a proper adjusment without this effect. Also the leaves are blurry because they were shaking in the quite strong chilly wind. What I like better is the composition.
The opinions here are also completely split. Most of my colleagues like it - but I don't like it.
Never felt so much contrary opinions about another unspectacular sunset pic.
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BadMonkeh says:

Try not too be too influenced by others opinions, what is most important is wether or not you like it. You might be able to obtain some hints for composition or other technical matters, but at the end of the day if you are not happy with it, then what is the point?

As an aside, you could try merging two hdr images together to get a darker sky and the detail that you require from the trees. Although from a point of realism, at sunset you're not going to be able to see a whole lot of detail so i'd opt for a better sky.
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cosmosvortex_2006 says:

Sunsets are hard but it helps if there are some clouds.
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wee_photo  Pro User  says:

your hdr got halos, they will make me hate it, if i have to choose one side. LOL.
ok, i think you are getting improve yourself when you hate your own photo, whether it is a hdr or not. when you know why you hate it, then you will improve yourself later.
i suggest the hdr you did should lower the strenght, and higher the light smoothing. color saturation let it around 60-65%.
hope you will love your hdr next time!
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hermanau  Pro User  says:

Here, I took a stab at sunset HDR a long while ago back when I was in the testing/learning phase. I think the HDR helped a bit on the clouds and sure it brought out more details, but I don't think the HDR process necessarily helped the image overall.
Sunset at Morro Bay

I think there are much better situations when HDR would be way more helpful. It is especially helpful when you run out of ways to light your subject. Here's one example when the ultra low shooting angle meets the sky, but I had to shoot towards that direction because I wanted to stay in the shade of the building but didn't want to use the building as the background.

Original:
_DSC4336 original (by hermanau)

Result:
BMW 335i Convertible (by hermanau)
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Bernd Mechsner  Pro User  says:

you are right - liking and hating my own pics is certainly part of the learning process.
If I lower the strength and increase light smoothing and tune saturation down, then I will end up with some black silhouettes, an unspectacular sky and a bright sun -something that I could do better with working on my RAW file in ACR and PS.
Since there were no clouds that would have helped a lot, only by applying stronger tonemapping of the HDR in Photomatix could I get a really strong and colourful sky.
Next time I'll try the shot when there are some nice clouds and hopefully I will start to like it.
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Bernd Mechsner  Pro User  says:

@hermanau
I would be so happy to get something even close to yours. I am still on a much much lower point on the learning curve than you are.
I also tried something with cars. I tried to make a terribly boring shot of a couple of even more boring cars a bit more interesting. Here HDR helped a lot to give at least a little bit of a dramatic note into the sky.
Parkplatz
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wee_photo  Pro User  says:

if the weather is not good enough, especially got haze, the over strenght hdr will look blur, but if you try to lower the strenght, then it look like what you saw at the reality. there is one of my haze hdr:
Taipei 101 in haze 霧霧台北101 HDR
i set the strenght at very low, maybe you think this can be done by pscs2 or other softwares, ya i agree that even so is better than overdone hdr.
but when you got very good weather, you can adjust the strenght higher, here is one of my hdr:
sunset20080119

i think to find out a proper adjusted hdr is also a lesson for all hdr doers.
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See1,Do1,Teach1 says:

To reply to the original topic. It looks too cool. I think warm it up a little. Less green and more orange & red.

If you can't reprocess it in the HDR software even a simple filter effect in photoshop might help correct for that.
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Mario.Q  Pro User  says:

I don't care for the original sunset post. It looks too unnatural for me. The forgroud is exposed like there's full daylight, which is not the way it would nautrally look at sunset.

I like the style in hermanau's post, which look more natural. Although, I don't care for the sky in the second photo. It looks grey to me?? Why not fix that up so you have a blue sky??
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Bernd Mechsner  Pro User  says:

I took another shot at the same place; finally I start to like it better. What do you think?
Incheon Songdo Sunset 3 HDR
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Mixmaster  Pro User  says:

First of all the motif isn't very nice.
Try to frame your photo first before you try cool effects.

Second, you lack contrasts! Heaps of it.

Third, I don't think your scene requires HDR at all.

I have a collection of guides and tutorials here that may help:
HDR - How to make one and why
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Bernd Mechsner  Pro User  says:

@Mixmaster
You are certainly right - the motif is not nice; problem is that the area is so damn ugly here that I don't think you would find anything much more attractive around to get a shot of a sunset. Living for some months in an ugly environment that I actually don't like somehow let's me like a shot that looks better than the usual stuff I'm confornted with here. I guess that at home in Thailand I would also not like such a motif.
I'm not sure what you mean with framing since it's not easily possible to access the areas that offer better framing.
Second: Thanks for the hint; I will try to play with contrast a bit more.
Third, you are certainly right; I just got one out of ACR that even looks a bit better. Well - guess that's my way of learning: I go to the extreme and apply an effect nearly everywhere and later go backwards.

And fourth, thanks for all your expert comments and links!
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