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Take the shot till they kick you out!
OMG he took a picture of sweaters! There must be something sinister going on here.
Mall security are so so lame. go back to guarding the gum ball machine and leave me alone.
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It's weird how many commercial establishments won't let you take photos. I can't fathom the reasons but I've gotten vehement NO's from small business owners as well as the gomer pyle "no pix of our lobby" from security guys. And I always politely ask when approached.
*shrug* then I go across the street and shoot from a public space.
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I use 2 criteria when I'm taking shots if I don't see a sign expressly forbidding it.
-is there a reasonable expectation of privacy? if this is a public place or out in the open, then no.
-can the security guard cause significant bodily harm? if yes, then I'll just be moving along now.
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I think it has something to do with advertising their product and the misuse thereof. Under city ordinance 2.167, article 5, paragraph 7-9.... okay, I have no idea what I'm talking about.
I say shoot away until they throw you out!!
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Oh, and factual data exists about this topic. Someone linked this for me when I made a similar post
www.krages.com/phoright.htm
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I try to always carry the item to which Bree R linked. But even still, I would not invite as much hassle as the author of the original article. That's just me.
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If I think I need to be covert, I take out my phone for a crappy phonepic and then it just looks like I'm reading text messages.
I asked at Punch Pizza in NE if I could take a picture of their oven which if, iirc, is covered in pretty tiles. They said NO. wtf? I should have just taken the pic. I used to have a manager (in HR no less) who's motto was "It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission."
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All of the Punch Pizzas are highly protective of their oven. Here's another account.
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They're even protective of the ashes in the oven. I have a friend who is a potter and apparently the ashes from an oven can be used in glaze firings to get interesting effects. He asked if he could get some of the ashes that they threw away (apparently a lot of potters ask them and it's a common thing) because he had a canned answer about not giving the ashes away or selling them because of proper disposal regulations and policy and all that. It's probably more likely that they just didn't want to deal. I guess I can see that. Who wants a line of potters wanting free stuff when you're trying to sell pizza.
Anyway, I prefer Pizza Nea.
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I shot my pizza the last time I ate at Punch, which caused the owner to come out & talk to me. He was super nice about it & explained that their competition with Pizza Nea was getting a little intense, with the supposed stealing of recipes & such. I assured him I'm just a photographer who shoots the food I eat because it looks good, nothing shady.
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You know, I have never once been approached about shooting anywhere. Restaurants, grocery stores, businesses. I always shoot my food in restaurants. I walk around everywhere with the camera around my neck, I don't know, maybe I just blend well.
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Good gawd, that's paranoia. If someone wanted to copy a recipe why take a photo of it in the restaurant? I'd think taking the pizza as carry out then dissecting it would be more productive. I've never been to Pizza Nea but after this thread, I'll make it a point to go there and try it out. And how are they about photography in their place?
I got my name and number taken down outside a county courthouse by security. Then there's a guy who runs a Russian gift shop who said he doesn't like people putting on the hats and their friends taking photos of them while laughing about hats. And I was told it was a closed set after taking some non-flash photos from across the street from where a movie was being shot. Note it was a public street and not closed off. Meh. Whatevah.
I hear about men being approached and questioned for taking pictures more often than women.
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It's because us men-folk are Up To No Good, you know.
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I can understand where the guy who owns the Russian gift shop is coming from. People who come in to play with the hats probably aren't buying them.
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davep, men-folk usually are up to no good in my experience. ;) j/k
kristin, I got the impression the owner of the Russian shop's issue specifically was with people being mocking with the hats. He told me about this when I asked if it was okay to take a picture of some nesting dolls. He was cool with that.
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1) This is all fine and dandy, but taking pictures does and can get old after a while - and then you lone for the days of being able to enjoy something without thinning about "omg I need to get this shot."
2) see number 1. It seems to be a great idea, but it does get old and you will get burnt out.
3) Share it where you can get good feedback on what you're doing and tips/tricks on ways to improve. A college course is great for this, flickr sucks. Don't just share them on here where everyone is offering a pat on the back, you need to improve not get kudos.
4) I like this rule, however I rarely practice it. Not because I hate people, mostly because I never think that I should be required to like (or even look at) someone elses work just because I did something they like.
5) yes and no, people need to understand that shots aren't going to go anywhere and you can go back and get it another day. This isn't life or death - and even with shooting people you can always ask for a retake, same goes for shooting regular stuff of bands, kids, sports, or just about anything.
* however with sports you do need to be ready to capture the moment, but still most regular stuff happens all throughout a game.
6) This is worthless advice. Get good at shooting and use raw to get the full amount out of your camera. There are very few people I know that can do this, most just use raw for bragging rights and to "save" shots. These are the same people who do average to below average work.
There is no such thing as "saving" a shot, there is getting the shot correct and not getting it correct. To get things correctly you need to practice, put in hard work, and not be scared to fail. It's not going to happen overnight and it's going to take work.
Use raw for it's 12 or 14 bit images, for the easy of white balance, and again to get everything out of the shot you can - don't use it to save anything - that's silly and I laugh at people like that in person. So again, it's not a crutch or a way to get around hard work and this site is FULL of bad pictures that were shot in raw, it doesn't help or hurt anything and at most it just takes up space.
7) No idea why you would get the finger thrown at you, but you need to know that some buildings downtown won't let you take pictures of them without permission while you're on the sidewalk (they rent that from the city or something) and that most security guards make less than I do and don't care enough to know the rules - they just no "no".
Not good or bad, but nothing that's really worth a fight right there on the spot.
(in my opinion though.)
8) This is the worst advice I've ever read and you should be beat with your camera. Our main goal here is to work within the rules posted and not give us a bad name. Advice like yours causes idiots to actually do stuff like that and then get the rest of us restricted even more.
Now yes, there are some lines to be crossed but that's up to the situation, who is there, what's there, and how easy it would be to get away with it.
But again, you're an idiot for even posting that and you're giving those of us who actually care a bad name. Please stop.
9) yes and no. I've got a long ways with my D50 which costed $440 a few years ago. I can shoot better than a lot of people with D2somethings, 5D's, 1ds's and the like. Equipment doesn't matter so much as the vision and how it's done.
However at the same time it does make a difference, but not as big of one as what's talked about online. I pretty much go by "you know it when you need it" and that pretty much only goes for lenses now. Also then I have to weigh the cost of a new lens as compared to what I'm going to get - usually I just make due with what I have.
10) I agree, but it's not as big of deal to me right now, and who would want to look at my work if I die?
11) yes and no, the auto modes are good, and manual is good, but someone should be able to fully grasp their camera and use it to it's full extent.
12) no idea, I don't take pictures like that so I wouldn't know.
but you have some good advice and some utter crap, I'd give this a c+ mostly because the crap part is really bad.
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That was a really thorough review Andrew. I'm not the "idiot" who wrote the article just so you know (I just posted a link to it here because we have a lot of photowalkers). I say this because it sounds like you are addressing the author directly and he is almost certainly not going to see your response. You might want to post this on his site.
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I was stopped by security at the MOA about a year ago. Saying that I was taking images of the load bearing structure of the mall and that my activity was very suspicious. ( Insert standard terrorist statement here ) Rent-a-cop wanted my memory card and even my camera.
Its funny how people can change their tune when you let them know you have an understanding of the law as it pertains to the situation. I let them know that unless they had a warrant that they would not get anything from me, and they had no right to detain me in any way.
I did pack up and head out after that. But being accused of terrorist activities because of taking pictures was a bit unnerving.
I guess my point is that if you do go shotting at the MOA, just be well aware of the law and don't let them harass you.
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I agree with most of your points Andrew, especially number 8.
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Shooting at pretty much all malls is off limits, period. Most of us need to understand that and not even worry about taking out a dslr there, maybe a point and shoot but that's another deal.
Shawley - sure the security guard was trying to scare you, but that's really not the point, you can't be there doing that. And yes you are correct that they can't take anything from you (I'll get into a story later), but if you don't put the camera down they could charge you with tresspassing and then really force you to leave.
It's good to stand your ground, but it's not good to really push things far.
or you could be like me once when I met a tour manager from a band, turns out my info was bad and they meant 3 songs period of pictures and not just 3 in the pit. Fair enough, my bad, then they asked for my camera and to see the shots. Now i was only getting paid $75, so it wasn't worth my time anyway, and I let them see it. They ended up formatting the card, and I ended up recovering all the shots an hour later when I was home.
They knew damn well that they couldn't take the card, however I wasn't getting paid enough to care either way.
Ok, story time is over.
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sorry, I didn't read this part right away...
"I did pack up and head out after that. But being accused of terrorist activities because of taking pictures was a bit unnerving.
I guess my point is that if you do go shotting at the MOA, just be well aware of the law and don't let them harass you. "
That's bad advice. You shouldn't go shooting at the MOA period unless you ask ahead of time and get a permit to do so. It's not a public place, and they can and will stop and remove you. When they do that they aren't taking your rights away from you - they are preventing you from doing something you shouldn't have in the first place.
So if enough people follow your advice they won't just ask someone to stop and put the camera away - they will cite us for trespassing and remove us from their mall.
Plus what are you going to use the pictures for? You don't have a release from the mall to sell them for commercial uses, you could maybe use it for art prints but that's limited, and yeah, they are pretty much worthless save for putting them online here in flickr.
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Andrew, I was unaware that it was illegal to shoot in the MOA. If it is indeed, and is posted ( and I didn't see that it was ) than no, people should not shoot there. I was not told that it was off limits by security either. They were on the terrorist line of questions.
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haha funny,
I actually get to go down to the MOA on sat to take pictures.
=)
The people I'm working for are checking about stuff as we speak.
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They can't stop people shooting at the MOA. It has a park and too many tourists are there to ride rides and shoot photos of their kids. I have never been harassed by security there. I think they are too preoccupied with other stuff to care.
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yeah, but not when I'm there to actually do a job... that's why people are checking into what it takes to shoot there.
I'd rather know ahead of time than when I'm getting asked to leave.
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A job is certainly a different deal. If you are making money with your photos that will likely require you pay a fee just like doing a pro shoot at a park requires you to pay a fee.
I guess my point was: shoot first and ask questions later. I've only been harassed at ridgedale. I take my camera with me every time I go to MOA and will continue to do so. I have taken tripod shots near a security guard at MOA and they haven't said squat.
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I shoot television and video pieces all the time at the MOA. It seems to me its just a matter of getting in touch with their media relations department with your client. I have also had no issues in the small amount of personal/pro photos I have taken with my SLR.
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Shooting somewhere like MOA is permissible. It's a public place in the sense that there is no expectation of privacy. And even if their policy was no shooting, if they did not fairly and evenly apply that policy to everyone, including granny with a point and shoot, or teenagers with cell phone cameras, then they can NOT apply it because you have an SLR. It must apply evenly and be consistently enforced.
For commercial purposes, TV, etc. yes, you'd probably need permission. But not if I just wanted to take some architecture or people shots.
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