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The effect is done with an off-camera lighting setup that probably includes light stands, umbrellas, and other expensive hardware. The Strobist website give some explanation... I guess there's also a Flickr group.
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I have read somewhere that its a combination - she uses ringflash, along with other lights (probably behind the subject) - along with a lot of post processing (by Amy Dresser) - to achieve this specific effect. Oh, i think she also uses Medium Format Digital backs....
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2 umbrellas on each side of the camera as well as a ring flash, 2 rim lights and a background light. There's a video on you tube of her setup if you can find it.
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great lighting is a must have before you even begin to think about the post processing.
after you've got the lighting down (i second strobist), theres a good tutorial on retouchpro.com about how to get the shiny skin look using the blue channel to emphasize the shadows and highlights.
i'm not a big fan of jill greenburg's crying baby set, but i really like the muted colors and minimalist sets of some of her other photos.
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thanks for the help.
i only have a sb800 and sb26, so i cant reproduct all this, but might try with reflectors.
thanks for the help,
c
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check out the strobist flickr group and the blog (www.strobist.com). they had info on how to make a cheap (something around $5 i believe) ringlight just a few days ago. the results are good enough to get you started.
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Depending on the lighting in the original, you can sometimes roughly approximate this effect with liberal use of the "clarify" filter in PSP.
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first you give them candy...
then you take it away. haha
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Simply Milo- I was going to be a smart-aleck but you beat me to it!
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haha, all in the name of fun.
although she did receive a lot of flack for these photos if i remember correctly.
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Check this out, its not Jill Greenberg but Dave Hill (comes close to what you have posted):
www.flickr.com/groups/strobist/discuss/72157594577686705/
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i made a ringflash, results are iffy... thanks for the help, but i am still trying to recreate that greenberg effect...
orig
dave hill
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i hope you don't mind i gave it a try with your photo.
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is that jill greenberg? how did you do it? (she looks bruised)
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luzer edited this topic 7 months ago.
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maybe she fought back when Jill tried to ake away her candy ;)
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Nice one ER I see the ringlight in her eyes.
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anyone with a script/step-by-step for this?
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how creepy is that? bunch of kids crying. how did she get them to cry? pinch their chubby cheeks? tell them mommy is not coming back?
freaky!
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She gave them candy and then took it away. It was controversial at the time. Personally, I think they are beautiful.
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This isnt a ringlight. I have built this kind of setup many times as an assistant. It's basically a black tunnel ( this makes the shadows go really dark) with a large lightsource at the camera end and whatever you feel like doing at the other. She used two rimlights and a background light but you can play around. One photographer I work with goes overboard and makes me set up a poly board box around him 2m high and put six lights in there and shoots at f64 to have ful sharpnes. But the trick to this si the tunnel... have fun cause you need at least 3 people to set it up quickly
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care to explain the tunnel?
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she also has her work post processed by someone else.
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I think they are ghastly!
Am I alone here?
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the photos themselves are beautiful. what they are of are ugly.
i hate little kids.
and crying little kids are the worst
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I think the photo's are fairly awful too.
Over-processed. Artificial. Contrived.
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Ghastly? Wow, that's strong. That's a word I'd use to describe concentration camp photos - not pictures of kids crying.
I like them for the simple fact that they're not cutesy, posed pictures of "little angels" - they show actual, real emotion. Kids cry. And scream and throw fits and bite and all sorts of un-cutesy things.
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just judging from the highlights around the head and the reflections in the eyes, you can count at least six light sources: one on either side of the head, one directly above and three from the front (what appears to be two umbrellas on either side of the camera, and what might possibly be a ringflash—given a higher resolution image, you'd be able to tell with greater certainty). all of which is to say, there's a lot more to this than just finding the right combination of steps in photoshop.
and then there's the crazy amounts of retouching that must go into them as well...
but while i still appreciate the beauty in the images she creates, i'm finding that all of her stuff looks pretty much the same. from the crying kids to the monkeys, from Gwen Stefani to her newest stuff with the bears—we've all seen that trick.
what else does she got?
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achieved with one flash.. It is best viewed big, as then you can tell its been processed differently.
Getting a good lighting rig pays off as she's done, the only problem is more and more people are using this effect so now its becoming to overused.
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Looks like ring flash or beauty dish for the front light. Strobist is definitely the place to go.
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The tunnel: a black muslin tunnel about 3m long, 2,5 high and 3m wide... ofcourse the size changes depending on the subject...
You stick the subject in and hey presto any shadow goes instantly dark.... the frontlight can be done any way you want... umbrellas, big ass softboxes, direct srobes... hmi... and yes even the old ringlight... then just decide how much and quality of the backlight and you laughing
Dr Gonzo... Wikked looking shot but hardly similar to the Greenburg ones... and the trick is to do the lighting in camera not on the computer... thats the difference between a photographer and a digital artist
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^^ I think you've got an edge if you can do both ^^
MonkeyfacedRatfink has got it the closest for sure. I've seen videos of her doing one of these shoots somewhere on the 'net... I spotted two shoot through umbrellas at the back on 45's, two at the front, a snooted background light, a hairlight, AND a ringflash. This lady likes her lights!
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It's the fact that they are deliberately posed pictures of kids screaming their heads off! Ghastly!!!
I actually thing "boring" is worse than ghastly - and these don't hold a lot of interest either.......
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Her images are edited in computer, no amount of lighting can produce them tones..
Its the same effect as what Dave Hill uses, they use 30+mega pixel phase one cameras so when they add the effects the noise they produce isn't that visible hence they so look very smooth unlike mine where you can tell its an effect
The reason for the lighting is the effect they use, highlights shadows and can produce a lot of visible noise.
www.coolhunting.com/archives/2007/01/jill_greenberg_2.php
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Dr Gonzo Photography edited this topic 5 months ago.
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f64!! wouldn't that make the pictures soft? it might have max depth of field but with the small amount of light passing through the aperture its going to be wayyyyy soft
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Maybe for small formats like APS-C and 35mm... but things are different with large and medium formats.
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hmmm, i thought it would get worse the bigger the sensor/film as it would require a bigger area to cover..
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The size of the Airy disk depends on the relative aperture (the f-stop, e.g. f/64). (And the wavelength, but that doesn't matter for this.) So, with APS-C and medium format the Airy disk is going to be the same size at f/64 on the sensor (or film), but when both images are enlarged to the same viewing size, the smaller format needs to be enlarged more to reach the same size, so the enlarged Airy disk becomes larger for APS-C than medium format. Hence, larger formats can “afford” smaller relative apertures, like f/64.
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Arkku edited this topic 5 months ago.
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ahhhh, that makes sense.
cheers dude
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I tried it. It seems like a lot of post production work.
www.flickr.com/photos/dignan66/2330912007/
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NOT Greenberg.
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Don't think theres any confusion about that Ronnel.
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What about using lighting effects in the Render filter in Photoshop? I like the effect and might try and use for something other than portraits. Perhaps some here come on a bit strong with their criticism of the technique. Different strokes for different folks I believe. IDIC.
I've always believed that flash usually ruins a photo and have been looking for ways to mitigate the effect. I'm sorry but I only have Point & Shoot so anything I do for this solution has to be post processing. My best flash solution is the Scatter Flash mode. Sometimes it works against window reflections when the camera is directed at an angle. Am I totally out of the running to reproduce this or a similar effect?
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i came across this user's photos and thought his post-processing technique is reminiscent of the jill greenberg style mentioned here.
some examples:
farm3.static.flickr.com/2260/1889185183_134a3ffc72.jpg
farm3.static.flickr.com/2182/2082091755_2c358676d9.jpg
farm3.static.flickr.com/2222/2138380193_efdcf2ac0d.jpg
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Moonberry,
I love the pics of this guy. I'm his fan for times...
If someone knows this brilliant, great technique that he uses, please, tell me! :P
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