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Still no tool for switching our Flickr account to a different Yahoo ID. :( And this FAQ entry makes it even more confusing:
What if I have two Flickr accounts?
Your Flickr accounts will be treated separately as they are now.
You can choose to associate one, both, or neither with a Yahoo! ID, but each Flickr account must be merged with a different Yahoo! ID.
How can I have "neither" with a Yahoo ID, that seems wrong? Like the next FAQ answser (that the YahooID switcher will be available today) I guess this is just more out of date stuff.
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And for those wondering why at least some of us have waited til the last minute, the Yahoo account I keep logged in *all* the time is associated with an old, mostly inactive Flickr account. So if I add a new yahoo account for my primary Flickr account, I will get logged out of my "regular" Yahoo account every time I sign into flickr. Basically, I can't have Flickr and yahoo active at the same time. That sucks, and we were told the tool to fix that would be available by today, so we waited.
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YOU SAY IT!!!
I MADE A SCREENSHOT!!!
'cause YOU NEVER KNOW...!
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Ok I am not happy at all not at all happy, i merged my account and now i have a crappy horbile uggle greay bar around my sets and my pictures are smaller it looks fucking auwfull, I would like to know what happend to "nothing will change when you merge acounts only your login"
Cos as far as i am concerd changing the whole look of flickr! is a fucking big change!
Could you have lied to us any more!
I hope you happy Cos i am not! Lies lies lies that is all we have got off you people.
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Umm, the changes to the look of your photo page have absolutely nothing to do with the Yahoo merge. Loosen the tin foil hat a bit.
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final death: the layout changed with the addition of "sets within sets" or "collections". We've all been seeing it for a couple days now. You have the ability to choose your first page layout now, its in your account settings, from like six options. but the gray bar is so far staying.
So look at that, you're already getting new features! thank god you were lied to, if Flickr decided to stay just as it is/was, it'd die a quick death.
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Dunno, all these new features work fine on my non-merged account. And considering how large flickr is, I can't imagine it being architected in such a way techically on the back side that maintaining multiple login systems is a big problem. Even my simplest linux boxen can use multiple authentication backends. Hell, OSX does so by default. If one fails, it just tries again with the next. In fact, allowing for multiple backends might be a good thing later on anyway when yahoo buys up something like hotmail or vice versa.
I still don't really see a need for this whole merging of accounts to Yahoo!-IDs thing.
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Old skool still rules. :)
Considering that the switching tool isn't there yet, that is a good decision.
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I don't understand!
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Is there a reason that would win you over?
(and think fast, your clock is ticking down to mere minutes..)
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The Searcher,
There was no greay bar untill i merged so stop following them blindley there was no greay what so ever till i merged i logged in twce today before i merged and DID NOT have a horried gray bar, but now I do, SO as far as i am connceried i have been lied to.
Old skool login no gray
Satantic login of the devil, and i got a horrdied gray bar
i wounder what the one and only diffrence could have been between the two loggins this morning and the one tongiht O yes i am now using y! login.
You see it is crap like this why no one trust Y!, "Merg your accoutns go one its only a login chang nothing else will change honest"
Lie's with in lie's is all we get now, empty promises with flickr staffs hand tied by laws, becsue Y! has pissed so many off in the past that they no better to respond, after all there can be no arugment if on side stays quiet, they jstu hope that in the end we will get feed up of posting here, and that peopel like you will jsut make fun of all thous who dear to compain and do their bidding for them.
To say i am dissapointed is huge understatment, not that i matters what i type here for no one will responed to it that matters.
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I have not yet merged and I also have the grey bar. It has nothing to do with the merger and everything with the new collections.
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Final Death: The Searcher is correct, the grey bar appeared when we launched Collections and the photos page customisation, it has nothing at all to do with the Y! merge. (Everyone gets the same set of CSS files, regardless of their merge status.)
I can only think that you haven't visited your photos page in the past few days, or if you had, that you were being fed cached versions of our files.
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final death: I would only ever make fun of you for your horrific spelling, never your predicament.
that and I'm pretty sure the devil's logic is satanic by default, isn't it? I mean, we don't say "The Jasonic logic of Jason", do we?
though to be fair. you did spell those correctly.
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Just because the thread's filled with trolls all around, doesn't mean Merging is any more customer friendly...
Merging sucks.
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The cutover date has been moved to Tuesday, March 20th. See the news page for details. The Yahoo! ID transfer tool has also launched.
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If it wasn't clearly silly, I'd suspect that the date was revised purely to keep this thread going...
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(It is a pretty sweet thread.)
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Longest thread ever I guess?
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LOL by time all this is over with . I think flickr should award this thread as the longest running thread...:-))
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I waited until 10:35pm on the 14th, my time, to merge!
I can't believe this discussion I started reading the first day is still going strong!
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So, after having to fill out that Yahoo signup page THREE friggin times from scratch because of some cookie issues, I'm now a non-proud owner of a Yahoo account and merged. Good news is that it seems to be possible to immediately purge and block all Yahoo cookies after signing into Flickr via Yahoo. It's a bit of a manual process if I have to re-login to Flickr for some reason, but I hope that won't be necessary too often.
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I procrastinated and got five wonderful more days of having the pleasure of signing in via oldskool page.
I will cherish and love you forever, oldskool sign-in. *sniff sniff
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I've still not merged, I've been yahoo user and I don't want to get there again. I think I'll keep my screen name like this. I am really disappointed towards this choice.
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I Flickr-mailed Heather for my refund. Any idea when I should expect it?
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was wondering if i'll be prompted to merge today and am glad for the extension.. guess i'll get to be oldskool for a few more days :)
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Thanks, Stewart, but your prolonged silence left us in such limbo well past the deadline day that at least one of us trashed an entire account for fear of losing a bigger account.
So, any advice on recovering a deleted account?
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Best bet is to contact customer care on that one.
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Dr. Keats says:
If it wasn't clearly silly, I'd suspect that the date was revised purely to keep this thread going...
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Stewart says:
(It is a pretty sweet thread.)
one thing i like about merging is reading this thread.
Why the 20th & what will happen after the 20th - finally no more old skool login?
For REAL?
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I still won't merge.
End of story.
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pakshet: then why are you here? funeral march?
It'll be the end of your story soon enough (four days soon). shame.
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what if i already sign in with a yahoo account.... does this merge effect me?
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If you sign in with a yahoo account, you are already merged, poeticallychallanged.
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boo. hiss. boo.
and the yahoo ads in the picture search results make for a really miserable experience too.
:(
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I finally gave in and switched over. i don't really have any use for another email address, so i don't plan on logging into yahoo to check my mail. However, yahoo have suggested they will send exciting offers to that account, so maybe I'll be checking it every day.
i can't find anywhere on the yahoo site that tells me if my account there will expire due to non-use. (EDIT: ah, the TOS indicates that, among many reasons, this is one they can terminate my account)
This may be a dumb query, but... can anyone tell me where i can find out for certain if: i log into flickr, then my yahoo mail won't get deleted, thus allowing me to log into flickr.
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snarl, Stewart said here, "if you are signing in to Flickr with your Yahoo! ID, then you are using it and your account will not be suspended. The email account will have no affect on your use of Flickr."
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that's official enough for me! thanks!
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just trying to merge and already dealing with yahoo is a nightmare.
Cant remember my password and it sends me round in circles.
Also my yahoo id is tied into a certain service provider so what happens when I switch. This is not a good move it cant be such a big deal for you to leave it the way it is and keep your users happy.
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This is too difficult and time consuming! I am old school member and this new way to sign in takes way too much time.
It makes me mad that I have to sign my complete name and password every time I want to sign in.......then wait forever!
You need to improve this quickly before everyone gets angry and someone starts a new photo program that equals Flickr.
AmishMenno
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I'm so confused. All I do to sign in is put in my Yahoo! ID and password, and I'm in Flickr. Then I just keep myself signed in via my cookes, cache, etc. on my computer.
I'm really confused about this whole merging thing, but maybe that's because when I signed up for Flickr, I did so through creating a Yahoo! account.
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At least, there is now an announcement in the top area (where security announcements are) that one has to get a Yahoo ID. So maybe that will help to keep some less tech savy people from confusion. Thank you.
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Poeticallychallenged - don't worry. If you signed up to Flickr using a Yahoo account, and you've always logged in using your Yahoo username, the merge won't affect you in any way.
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This is terrible. I'm not using a Yahoo account for Flickr--I've been trying to ELIMINATE and CONSOLIDATE e-mial accounts. (sigh) I suppose it's off to find a new photo sharing service. Flickr is the best, so it's definitely sad to leave. Take care.
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So is this not a consolidation? Or at least a draw? You're losing your Flickr login, while gaining a Yahoo login. So it's at least a wash. And since you don't have to use your Yahoo email at all (mine vanished after four months of disuse) you can still use the email you've always used.
I wish you luck, marc. If you think this is the very last time in the history of your life and the internet that you're going to have to create a login and password, well, you'll need much luck indeed.
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Flickr invited me here to share my opinion with them. I'll not engage in useless Internet arguments with Y!-Kool-Aid-drinkers who can't get their head around the fact that a Y! account is more than just 'another account' to some of us. Feel free to return to the pot you can't help but stir.
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If it helps at all, you can change your settings in Yahoo! so that it's not your primary email account. My Flickr mail/notification doesn't go to my Yahoo! email... it goes to my primary one, which is a gmail. I don't EVER use my Yahoo! account, except to have a "user name" to sign into Flickr. (Which I never do unless I clear my saved info.) My point it, I think everyone is complaining about such a small matter. Flickr is worth it (at least to me) to spend a few minutes to sign up for a Yahoo! account.Store your info on your computer, you never have to worry about signing into Yahoo! again.
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PLUS, you get access to the Y!-Kool-Aid!!!
Non-mergers need not apply...
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marc: since this is a "forum", I guess you're stuck engaging, since that's sort of the definition (ie: flickr invited me here, too). I was trying to be helpful with your initial complaint, that this goes against a general consolidation on your part. I didn't realize you were just using that as an excuse for personal issues with a faceless corporation.
There is absolutely nothing at all that will help you get around a yahoo login, you are absolutely correct. I guess you'd have to ask the remaining old-misspellers(sp) how horrific an experience it's been for them. Since I drank the koolaid, and honestly can't remember my yahoo login right now because I haven't had to re-login since.
You'll feel much better in a few days. you won't have to (or be able to) engage with me, or anyone here, ever again. honestly, that'll be a shame.
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Well siad, Searcher. *wink*
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@ poeticallychallenged: Fine. You had a relatively simple problem. You asked for help here and you got it. That's just as it should be.
But why do you have to throw in your uninformed opinion about the concerns of other members?
"My point it, I think everyone is complaining about such a small matter. "
and then start winking knowingly at Searcher, who, with others, has been seeing off anyone with serious concerns, as opposed to log-in issues, at least since I started watching this thread. You may not be aware of it, but the tactic here has been to be so nasty to anti-mergers that they answer back, which gives flickr staff the perfect excuse/reason to move in and stop the discussion. I hate to think that flickr staff have been doing this on purpose, but anyone who surveys the whole thread can see that it would never have got so long if the questions had been answered, even if the answer was only "Don't know. Sorry. Nothing we can do about it!" and the nastiness had been properly managed.
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florrie: still waiting for your question. Some problems can't be solved, like a general problem with yahoo. But if you genuinely have an issue, it is possible there's an answer out here. but you have to ask the question first. Because as is, it appears your purpose is just to vent. Which I guess is also fine, but could you put a "I'm just venting" thing at the top or bottom of your post? That way everyone will know you aren't looking for anything constructive.
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Well siad, Searcher. *wink* (added for redundancy to be cheeky)
Re: florrie - I can understand your frustration (a bit, though I did not have to merge), but I was simply giving my opinion on the matter, as thousands seem to have done before me. Just because my opinion ins't of dissent, don't get all huffy with me.
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@poeticallychallenged: Read the whole thread. Read what I said. Read what everyone else said, both pro and con. Find out what really went on. Then, if you've anything constructive to say, say it carefully and calmly, as I and others have tried to do throughout. I 'm not *huffy* with you. I'm devastated that after all that's been said you can dismiss what we're saying as "such a small matter. "
And ... whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of believing that because thousands, even in bold, say something, it's right.
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OK Florrie. I'll bite. Why isn't it a "small matter"?
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All I've gotten from the past week or more from florrie is "why won't anyone answer us?" nevermind the questions seems lost to the winds of time. I honestly don't think there is a question anymore. I don't even think florrie knows what the question is anymore. TOS? Yahoo subverting our images for their own gain? Sets within sets?
If it isn't a small matter, I'd love to hear why not. And of course, what it is exactly.
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What I don't understand is why you two feel the need to do the job for the Flickr staff. (That would be ok if you were as good at that job as the staff is but you aren't. You are just mocking those with concerns, be they real or imagined.)
Well, I guess you will be happy tomorrow, when you'll win every argument by default because everyone unwilling to merge will no longer be here.
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At the top of this page there are dozen or more links to Q&A pages, in the 2,700 post to this thread questions have been answered enough to remove any FUD remaining. All that's left is an existential whine.
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nath: why do you think these forums are here? so the community can help each other. How is it mocking to genuinely challenge a person to ask for help? As opposed to deriding staff and service and users at every turn, in what amounts to P.I.E. (Perpetual Indignation Engine)? What's shocking to me is how many days have gone by without the question(s) posed that answers are demanded for. Frustrating, even.
Which is why I will not be happy tomorrow. I will in fact lose every argument, because the purpose of the discourse is to find answers for everyone. For each one who chooses to lock themselves out, that's one I and others failed to convince it was worth it to stay.
It will be in fact, lose-lose.
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Nath What are your concerns?
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I asked a very simple question at the very beginning of this thread. Or at least I thought it was simple. What benefit do we get from all this?
The only vague answer we got was "it will free up resources so that we can release more new features." First, I doubt that. I have never noticed people asking for help with their e-mail based login, but the help forum is full of people having problems with their Yahoo IDs. The only resources that will be freed will be those that have been occupied by the self-induced merge issues, but I can't see how the login migration will free up resources other than those.
But even if it was so – What features, please? I am not really optimistic. Over the last 8 months or so every new feature they released was flawed. They killed geobloggers.com and gave us the crappy Yahoo maps instead. People asked to be able to search EXIF data, and they gave us the pointless camera finder instead that finds only cameras that are already so popular that you don't need a dedicated tool to search for them. They introduced group moderators but still didn't solve the problem that a group becomes effectively inoperable if the sole admin disappears without properly quitting. People asked for subsets, and they gave us "collections" instead. People asked for bigger images on the photo pages, but instead they gave us monstrous images on the photostream page. People asked for better copy protection of their original photos, and they took the opportunity to close the last loophole for free account holders to access their own originals. So I wonder what "feature" might come next, now that they have "freed up resources".
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Mr. Last Minute,
Merging doesn't benefit you directly ...it helps them, so they don't have to maintain two login processes. It's that simple.
And, it still sucks...'cause it is unnecessary and unnecessarily divisive...
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I still don't buy the "maintain two login processes" argument. They wouldn't have to (and they would have saved themselves and us a lot of trouble) if they just hadn't touched the old login.
My question was not "why is it better to have one login system than two login systems?", but "what feature will we get from using the Yahoo ID system that was in no way possible with the e-mail based login?". Maybe I would have merged already months ago, but the new system is in effect since August 2006, and they haven't come up with a single one. Not even an announcement.
FlickrNews says "In order to avoid any last minute problems …". Heh. That sounds like me. Can we at least have a countdown on the old login page? :-|
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They seem to think that it will help them. There will be no real downside once teething problems are overcome. Why should it not happen?
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I think if you're asking your (in many cases paying) customers to inconvenience themselves, "why not?" isn't that great an argument.
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How are you inconvenienced?
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by being required to create a further account, and by being required to supply details for that purpose far beyond those that I was asked for when I signed up here.
as well you know, because it's been mentioned countless times over the last 2700 posts.
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I finally gave in. I'm New Skool now. Nothing has changed.
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Create an account. Provide information. Not even 15 minutes of fame.
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I notice that you're not claiming that it's not an inconvenience.
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seawallrunner — I know what will change. Every time I sign into flickr I will be pissed off that Y! refuses to let me save my username and password, and that I have to re-type it over and over again.
And don't anybody tell me to tick the "remember me" box. I am not going to allow permanent cookies. If Yahoo thinks that saving my login details in Firefox, protected with a master password, is insecure, how insecure is logging in with no password at all?
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shining example I think that may be a triple negative. Congratulations.
If that process inconveniences you I bet you get annoyed at having to tie your shoes in the morning.
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last minute, just a minute. I thought the cookies were for the "Remember Me", but checking the "stay logged in for two weeks" was part of the yahoo options? Once every two weeks puts you out?
I have a dumb question (seems to be the room for it). So what if this change doesn't benefit you at all? So what if it is solely for Flickr's and Yahoo's benefit? What then? It's an answer, if not one you'd be happy with.
But even if it's a negative, then what does that leave you?
I guess you'll have to decide if the "benefit" to you is still Flickr. Is Flickr still a benefit to you? Your laundry list of gripes up there would seem to say no.
So that makes it a pretty simple choice, logically speaking. Weigh the good and the bad. If Flickr is still good, then stay. If not, then go.
Because the reasons for making this change will never make you happy. A fluffy puppy to everyone who switches isn't ever going to happen. $100 worth of McDonald's coupons, five year free membership, Disneyland comped, Yahoo disbanded, Google coming to the rescue, Bush impeached, Cheney caught in a man-sized crib wearing diapers, none of it.
No matter how much you wish (and oh man do I wish for that Cheney thing) it could be a positive for you, it won't be. It's a net loss.
So tuck that into your internal calculator, and decide if a net loss, still gives you a beneficial Flickr.
easy peasy. and timely.
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I guess the time has finally come -- I am now forced to merge my Flickr account.
Farewell, Old Skool log-in. We'll miss you.
(Consider me +1 for the "Old Skool" badge on profile, if anybody is still considering that.)
I've stayed out of this conversation up until now, but I had to express my extreme dissatisfaction before I went through with this. It's not that I do or do not like Yahoo; it's not about that at all.
The fact is, I don't like *not* having a choice who I do or do not have an account with. And honestly, I thought Flickr would be the last website to back us all into a corner like this...
Sigh.
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My question was not "why is it better to have one login system than two login systems?", but "what feature will we get from using the Yahoo ID system that was in no way possible with the e-mail based login?". Maybe I would have merged already months ago, but the new system is in effect since August 2006, and they haven't come up with a single one. Not even an announcement.
the benefits are there, but they are very indirect.
this is unfortunate because it creates a situation where people have to convince themselves to merge, rather than the reasons being obvious.
but there are some indirect benefits like it being easier for help cases, since they'll only have to explain one kind of login, which will free up more time to address other help issues.
that kind of thing. any complexity means more work for flickr that could be going toward other things. two parallel login systems is adding at least SOME additional complexity.
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iansand: I have no concerns, I just don't like how you and the searcher behave towards those who have concerns.
I will likely merge sometime soon but I also will start using other photo sites. And if I find one I like more, I will leave here.
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The Searcher — I am tucking into my calculator almost as long as I am here. I joined flickr on August 7, 2005. A week later they announced the flickr/Yahoo merge. Stewart said: But really, really, it is mainly great for reasons which are yet to be revealed (since we can't give everything away). But it will lead to all kinds of neat things Flickr users (and Flickr-the-website) can do to make the most out of our place in the Yahoo! family. Until today, almost two years later, I am still waiting for the "neat things" to be revealed.
Nevertheless I was quite enthusiastic about flickr until half a year ago. But since then my "flickr experience" has been constantly degrading for the reasons already given, and also for being called a rightless "third party" in the various discussions about flickr's privacy policy.
I honestly don't know what to do. I still love flickr. It's just that having to face the dreaded Yahoo login page every day might be the last straw.
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striatic — like everybody else, you are only explaining why one login method is better than two login methods, but not why Yahoo IDs are better than the e-mail based login.
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ARG I don't want to merge! :(
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striatic — like everybody else, you are only explaining why one login method is better than two login methods, but not why Yahoo IDs are better than the e-mail based login.
Well, since everyone seems to complain about having to login ALL the time, logging-in is obviously a MASSIVE problem and hassle... my Yahoo ID is 12 characters shorter than my old skool username. I estimate switching over has saved me at least 13 days since I mergeed a month or so ago.
Unless you have a stupidly short email address, you will save superlots of time too!
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why Yahoo IDs are better than the e-mail based login.
so that the kazillion people who already have yahoo ids don't have to create another account.
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Flickr should go back in time and not make people use them to start with!
Flickr has invented time travel, hasn't it?
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They're working on it - it'll be introduced last week...
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Dr. Keats edited this topic 16 months ago.
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Flickr has invented time travel, hasn't it?
of course!
THAT'S what they were working on that delayed sets of sets!
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What timezone is marking the end?
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Alright, I'm gonna merge but I want my badge too :(
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Of course you can have your badge, EvilChick. Was it that simple all the time? I suspect it was.
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i merge my old skool account and my ym account, now my photos from my ym acoount is gone! :(
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What actually happens if I don't merge by tomorrow?
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I still don't buy the "maintain two login processes" argument. They wouldn't have to (and they would have saved themselves and us a lot of trouble) if they just hadn't touched the old login.
Don't you just love it when someone knows more about a system than those that administer, maintain, and develop it. The world seems to be full of people that know that 'this should be easy', or "it can't be that hard", and all from the lofy position of complete and utter ignorance.
Besides no one cares whether to 'buy it' or not.
I am not going to allow permanent cookies.
Except that you do. Delete the flickr permanent cookies on your computer and you'll have to log back in again. See ignorance above.
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double entry
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Walwyn edited this topic 16 months ago.
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so that the kazillion people who already have yahoo ids don't have to create another account. They don't have to. They could just log in with their Yahoo e-mail address.
my Yahoo ID is 12 characters shorter than my old skool username Nobody reads what I am saying, right? The difference is that I just have to hit Return with my login details already filled in by the browser on the current sign-in page, while you have to type it in every f*cking time on the Yahoo sign-in page because of Yahoo's password paranoia.
(And obviously that still doesn't prevent people from getting their accounts taken over, so it's good for nothing. On the contrary. It is even easier to grab their login details with a key logger every time they sign in. If my PC was compromised, all the attacker gets would be my browser's startup password, which would be of no use for them without the corresponding password file.)
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