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Has anyone some contacts to Yahoo! Deutschland to ask them some questions?
Anyways -- as someone said above: the absolutly most unfair thing about this is that while the normal FlickR use is killing time like flies, this makes me more or less completly unable to do what I should do no, because the cliffhanger isn't resolved yet.
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shameless plug!
maybe it's time to beta test image hosting done by swedish guys that are known to hate censorship?
bayimg.com/
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Ozone71 -- no, it has to make sure that the data reaching the country complies with the local law. That's different to "abide by all the rules" at the same time.
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And the reason for involving Switzerland and Austria is explained by them speaking German. Which affirms my theory about business.
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I posted this to the front page of Netscape this morning. Disclaimer: I work for Netscape. Second disclaimer: I currently reside in Germany. Third disclaimer: I personally purchased a Flickr Pro Account. Please get in contact with me regarding this story at fabienne [at] newnetscape [dott] com.
Thanks,
Fabienne Serriere
Netscape Anchor
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Maybe it's all about THE WAR AGAINST TERROR. That's why staff is so tight-lipped. It may be wise not to ask too many questons
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Zweifelkeks: harharhar ... I take it as a (good) joke.
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It has to be some April's Fool, right?
I can understand that Yahoo/Flickr wants no "trouble" with the chinese and the singaporean governments.. but why Germany?
It's said many times before: it has nothing_to_do_with_the_german_law!
Why Yahoo/Flickr, tell us why?
PS: What exactly means "we're working on it"? More censorship?
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schldmiez: The strange thing is that not all Austrians seem to be affected equally, e.g. I am not, others are. This makes it seem all the more arbitrary.
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@greynine
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serious marketing/publicity problem for flickr.
Without a doubt, but every negative media can have its other side... how many new users might flood flickr while many long year-users suddenly leave? Even if that's a while after this 'event'.
I guess it's got nothing to do with German law but with business and economy. Just guessing.
I agree.
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Yes, the main problem are the censored images and not where I live ;-) btw: the protest is now in the mainstream media.
www.computerwoche.de/nachrichten/594399/
www.focus.de/digital/internet/flickr_aid_63330.html
www.pc-magazin.de/common/nws/einemeldung.php?id=52687
www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/91085
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schldmiez: The strange thing is that not all Austrians seem to be affected, e.g. I am not.
it's probably a bug, they'll fix it :)
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www.computerwoche.de/nachrichten/594399/
Computerwoche: German Flickr users on the barricades against censorship
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PS: What exactly means "we're working on it"? More censorship?
Jap. They're working a way out, that we censored people can't post here anymore, so no one will notice about this! Ahh... that would be great ;)
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This conversation sounds like I have to search for a new simple community without cencorship. A lot of my german flickr-friends are discussing an alternative to flickr right now and I can understand them. I try to hold them back. Because flickr is a great place to share photos and comments. But only without censorship! We must fight for it!
How about this photo:
Could it be banned because there is a swastika in it? It´s the end of photo-journalism and street-photography.
I think this is just a stupid conversation without saying something useful and clear. Are we talking to bots here? Flickr is loosing a lot of potential german pro-members from now on! Because I don´t wanna upgrade my account after seeing all that protest here.
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no, again, swastika images are not blocked in germany, so no problem with that.
the blocking in un-related to nazi insignia.
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Triotex WOW! That toook far too long, if you ask me ... more than 24h to get them involved :-) Great!
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Rob: that's no problem according to German law -- first of all, its documentation, and then there is this antifa sticker on the picture, making clear that your political message is not "heil the swastika"
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Now I get it, they are doing this just for media attention ; )
Tomorrow they will do the same thing in France to coincide with the Flickr party there.
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Eww. Flickr, it's starting to get ugly. Indeed, focus.de has an article. Because I don't think Americans know FOCUS, you should have a look at its Wikipedia entry, especially the part where it says It is the second-largest weekly newsmagazine in Germany or circulation 730,436 per week.
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Why are we now relocated when we visit flickr.de?
Is this the next step? No flickr at all for people in germany?
Ich glaub mein Schwein pfeift... aber auf dem letzten Loch so langsam.
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del.icio.us: flickr+censorship
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If our german gouvernment would be behind this all... that would be typical... they just do what they want and don't represent the people which life in this country. They change orthography and stuff like that even if the most part of the german people is strictly against it... it looks like there's no chance to do anything against it. Fortunately they try to be social... but sometimes this means less freedom. There is a lot of stupidity in our gouvernment.
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R4mbo: I am almost certain that German government is not behind this. This looks exactly like US corporate lawyers running amok!
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Sopperkuh -- exactly, or their German copies.
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Tomorrow they will do the same thing in France to coincide with the Flickr party there.
flickr party in France eh... Somebody has a car and wants to drive there? Let's get some protesting up there!
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conspiracy theorists unite!
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This is going to have consequences ...
Welcome to the ever-changing, ever-worsening EULA - click it, sign it if you want to get in, but never expect it to be fair or remain the same.
So Heather, so Flickr, you have made a unilateral decision to treat the speakers of the most widely spoken native language (German) in the world's strongest economic zone (the EU) like babies.
You have decided that we, paying members, the ones paying your salaries, shouldn't get to see [whatever it is] on your site even though the German speaking countries are among the most liberal within a very liberal European Union.
We have few taboos about public nudity, nudity on television, nude vacations and nude everything else here. German law (and other European and national law from other Eu countries) clearly guarantees us freedom of expression (and by default information consumption) in these areas. There is no basis in German or EU law that any of us can think of with which you can justify this.
You are pissing off potentially 100 million native German-speakers and you do not even have the grace to give us a simple answer as to why on earth this has been done? Who could have ever though this was a good idea?
If this doesn't come to a good end by the end of the current business day, or by tomorrow (and I mean an end that the users are happy about), you will have shot yourselves in the foot, both feet and probably the balls and you can kiss our asses as we walk out the door. Did I mention that Germany has among the world's highest levels of internet penetration, broadband penetration and well above average levels of disposable income? Wave goodbye!
In closing, to my fellow members, I quote Master Hooptyrides: "Everything you love, everything meaningful with depth and history, all
passionate authentic experiences will be appropriated, mishandled,
watered down, cheapened, repackaged, marketed and sold to the people you hate."
- HornCologne
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May be interesting:
European Parliament resolution on freedom of expression on the Internet
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@heather & flickrstaff
I don't want to promise something that I may not be able to deliver, but I think that we (Flickr) have a pretty good record of communicating and working through issues with our members.
Well. I tend to disagree.
I sense an urgent feel of mistrust and incomprehension among German Flickr users - not just during the last few hours, but weeks and months.
As for me,it all started with the pointless censorship of Rebekka's picture (see www.flickr.com/photos/rebba/500114525/). And there where several other cases where one could only come to the conclusion "they have absolutely no idea what they are doing, and they don't understand the community any more".
The actual crisis is outrageous. Seeing Germany in line with Singapore, Hong Kong and Korea in terms of censorship reminds me of some perverted revival of the so called Morgenthauplan
One should always consider: there is no such thing as user's solidarity when it comes to WEB2.0 services. The crowd is always willing to move on, caused either by technical issues (another webpage offers cooler features) or by a lack of community and thrust.
Well, a lack of thrust we see, that much is clear.
And I'm not so shocked by the action of censorship itself, but by your reaction. And I do NOT mean the fact that you are not telling us any details. The may be legal issues, who cares.
But I'm stunned that you didn't FORSEE this coming. That you had no action plan at all.
In result, Flickr management made a LOT of mistakes recently. And they work actively against some of the most respected photographers here in Flickr. If these long-established leave - AND THEY WILL! - all you will see is an interestingness-pool flooded by cats, dogs, baby's and sunsets.
Brave new world.
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fischerhuder: They are doing this themselves. If they put out more (or any, in fact) substantial information, conspiracy theories would die down instantly. Even slightly wrong information would be better than no information at all.l
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@atomtigerzoo indeed, relocated. what will happen next?! i wouldn't mind if they shut down the german site
@Scyt**e also the german radio station "radio fritz" (part of the RBB) will report on flickrs censorship on saturday. more infos soon at "trackback"
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why we not ask peoples they must know about
my dear friend brigitte ;)
www.brigitte-zypries.de/
click Kontakt
that s so simple ;)
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Yahoo-Flickr, Google, it don't matter, they all cave in to Government demands. If you have illusions otherwise, stop taking the drugs and you'll see reality in a few hours.
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mckora: The point is, nobody by Flickr staff has told us yet, what these government demands are, and why they are much stricter for Flickr than for any other site in Germany.
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this is a pure nightmare !!
Why can't flickr staff tell us on which base of German law or politics or what so ever they put us on the same level like China, HK, Singapore and Korea ?
And I still don't believe it is actually anything with German law or politics. If any, probably a problem of flickr's lacks with foreign languages ....
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Ralf forgot to mention the flowers and butterflies ...
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At the moment, 2-4 of the 9 explore pics in every page are about censorship. That's great -- but are we prepared to uphold this protest over a week or longer?
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@sooperkuh: Of course, with "no" information you probably mean "we're working" on it.
Which unfortunately is a german synonym for "Ja, ja." (also known as LMAA).
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tillwe lets try :)
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Just getting to this censorship story... Unbelievable! I am way older then 18 and I have set my Flickr account (and everywhere else in the world) to safe=off long time ago. And now that option is gone. I am really getting angry right now. My own story about this will follow later ...
My latest contact merkley has a beautiful great set which is restricted ... and now it is gone.
I have no idea right now if some of my pictures i.e. from the Christopher Street Day parade in Hamburg have been restricted and are not viewable anymore.
Or if the soccer world championship vibrator ad pictures are still available?
This has all to be checked...
Flickr ... bring back that safe=off option. NOW! Otherwise you will be burned for that ignorance/censorship ... you name it.
Links: Flickr group Hamburg - Sankt Georg, News Site Hamburg Sankt Georg Information (Informations in German)
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The message from the German community is clear:
"stop censorship or loose customers"
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tillwe: Yes, I certainly will, but I do not think this will be necessary. This will be solved (by most Germans interested in freedom leaving or by lifting this stupid filter) within at most three days.
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Revenge for the G8 protests ? :-)
Congrats, flickr, you just pissed me off. Without a revert of that policy AND a good explanation of what has happened, you won't see any more money from me!
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Yess, I regard this FOCUS (news magazine) article to be the first satisfying one. As it really emphasizes on the protest and things going on. Plus this is absolutely mainstream mass media in germany now.
IMHO, heise did a bad job and did not even react on it with an update...
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@Heather: No offence meant with my mention of "LMAA"!
I know you're doing your best, I sincerely hope so, but "we're working on it" has a very bad aftertaste in german.
In german it's like telling your customer that you're dealing with stuff which would be too high for him to understand and most german react very allergic to that.
See "Beamtenmentalität" - no english translation, I guess.
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@staff
is totally frustrating that Flickr executed the censorship BEFORE telling us the reason.
This is like being punished for a crime that you never knew you were committing
Please, if you can't explain the censorship then stop it!
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Since there hasn't been any answer to the questions regarding why and who is responsible for the mess and staff even hinged that it might possibly be there for a much longer time: can someone please tell me how I can get my money and photos back, just in case the situation doesn't change? I posted this as a question in the German Help forum – please answer there (in german, if possible). Thanks.
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I contacted Flickr Public Relations, no response as of yet. I also contacted Flickr Help via the messaging form, and via posting here. I am part of the press. Please contact me. Here is what I wrote:
Dear Flickr Public Relations,
I am looking for a comment or some sort of explanation for the
recent censorship that was rolled out along with the language updates on Flickr. I work for Netscape.com as an online news anchor. If you could, please point me in the direction of anyone who could speak with me about the decision to not allow German (and Hong Kong and Korean and Singaporean) members to click through the safe search filters to view photos.
Sincerely,
Fabienne
Fabienne Serriere
Netscape Anchor
netscape.com/member/fabienne
fabienne [att] newnetscape [dott] com
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@Heather:
[..]The team is international and we're familiar with cultural differences, but the Flickrverse itself can have a structure of what is and isn't appropriate
i wonder whether this is true. whoever is your consultant on "cultural differences" with the German Flickrites is lacking some major sensitivity (and probably some basic understanding of international law). i thought you guys just recently expanded your international staff... (disclaimer: i applied for one of these jobs :))
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Interestin from BBC:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6665723.stm
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 dude, that's old news and has been fixed a while ago.
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It's old news, but in the current situation it looks like a pre-warning for things to come, or better, to detoriate.
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fbz/Netscape: If you get any information at all, please tell us. Would be a little unfair if they didn't tell us anything and inform you instead, but, heh, what the heck, any information at all would be greatly appreciated. Oh - I could even flinge out my own press pass, would that help?
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I see a lot of protest-images in future that will flood explore. No information no community. I won´t upload a photo until there is a clear statement from the flickr-hq.
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Good morning Flickrverse -
"Flickr filter raises eyebrows"
This topic has made it to Google news. Staff: take note, please.
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@ rob_visual: co-signed.
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Looking at Google News:
- Here is the Heise Ticker News in English (good move!)
(But not much more)
And here should be a lot more (google news de), but it isn't.
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SPIEGEL ONLINE now (most popular german news site, I think):
http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,488542,00.html
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@rob_visual: indeed. ack. this seems to be the way to go by now unless these things get sorted out.
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I am just glad that I did not sign up for a pro account.
And so it turns out (again) that having your own domain and server space is almost the only way to be independent from sudden decisions of self-appointed managers who believe to act in the best (?) interest of the shareholders.
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I will discontinue uploading photos to flickr, so maybe this will be my last statement in this community:
www.flickr.com/photos/felicea/
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I'm really really impressed how the community adapted my image for the protest :)
It's around everywhere you look on flickr! Thats awesome! We have to keep the protest up and running - so go on fave, comment and post on all those images!
Sad that flickr is breaking this community up for some money and/or business. And the media always blames Google as the bad guys...
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STAFF...It sounds like localisation is forced upon people and leaves them with no choice; is it so??? Would it be possible to make a clear statement on this subject please!
The reason I ask is that, in the light of the current censoring of Germany, localisation could be an invitation, not only for official authorities, but for all kinds of lobbyist to make whatever demands they like, based on cultural differences and local conditions, and by doing so filtering and distorting information as we, unfortunately, see it done in some countries.
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Ist ja nett von Spiegel online was zu schreiben... aber ein bischen mehr als nur Nacktfotos haben wir in dem Protest dann schon zu bieten.
Was soll denn diese unglaublich Übersicht an Titten bei denen? Hier gehts nicht um Nackheit sondern um FREIHEIT!
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atomtigerzoo Die Grafik ist ja auch wirklich gelungen! Sehr schön! Die Schrift .. ein Traume :)
Überschriften im Spiegel sind so :)
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crazyinthenight -- thanks for the pointer to the Spiegel. The article is really well written and long. Two interesting points in the article:
1. Spiegel online asked Yahoo Deutschland for comment, they did not want to give a comment
2. They speculate (lacking any more information than we have) that the reason for the censorship is the German "Forenhaftung"; i.e. the liability and responsibility for the hosts of discussion forums or other user-generated content applications to remove illegal content.
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probek: If and when I get a response, it will be posted as part of the links on this page. No registration required. I am with the Press, Yahoo and/or Flickr Personal Relations, please contact me. fabienne [att] newnetscape [dott] com
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@myfear: Ja, ich weiß es ja auch eigentlich... ist halt der Spiegel. Denen fehlt oft ein bischen.. naja... Professionalität ;)
Finds nur erschreckend wie sie das darstellen, denn so sieht es wirklich nur aus als wuerde es uns hier ums Nacktfotos gucken gehen hauptsaechlich. Naja - die anderen Medien sind ja auch noch da zum Glueck!
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Regarding the "Spiegel"-article: funny to see the Spiegel speculating what might be behind all that. Even they didn't get an answer.
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@Erling: you can choose the language (if that is what you mean by localization), but not the rules. I'm comfortable with the English interface and didn't switch to German -- the hardwired filtering rules are still applied to me.
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@atomtigerzoo: Maybe you should have read the article instead of viewing the attached photo set. ;-)
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@tillwe: I don"t think it's about the "Forenhaftung". Then they could had have a switch for turning this mess of and let us view photos like always.
Other sites like VIEW, fotocommunity, photocase, Fotolia and so on aren't doing this to us/their users. And VIEW is a german business, so they must have done this way before flickr...
think the flickr staff is asleep? or did some angry germans over in California did mess up the HQ? ;)
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Oh man, censorship is soooo outdated. We germans have fought a long battle for freedom and now the homeland of freedom gets us this...
Digital Taliban!
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atomtigerzoo thing its getting too hot in here from time to time :-)
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I am deeply disappointed about the censorchip by flickr for German customers. I am myself responsible for a large website in Germany and never have heard about leagal restrictions by German internet-law which could be a reason to do this. If flickr won't change its policy I think that I will canel my account.
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check this: we've made it to a very important German news source already!
www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,488542,00.html
(in German only of course)
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@crazyinthenight: I did! Afterwards... ;)
haha - no. I read the article, but it the pictures that count in the media! There is such thing as "Die Macht der Bilder" which states that people will look at pictures first and then decide wether to read somthing or not - ok, nudityphotos must get readers to text ;) but it's a bit awful that none of the holy load of protest pictures made it to their site :/
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@atomtigerzoo -- I only paraphrase the Spiegel article (did you read it ;-)?) -- and "Forenhaftung" is not about text alone; the same legal rules apply to offending photos (but they did so before). But we are still at guesswork; my guess is that Yahoo wanted to go safe (pun not intended) and thus over-interpreted the rulings on "Forenhaftung", coming to some horrible technical solution that obviously doesn't work.
But better than all guesswork would be an official statement -- I guess we have to wait until California midmorning at least.
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seen today on flickr:
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As sad as it sounds, we are a bunch of marionettes to you, Flickr.
You do to us whatever you want lately.
Doing something with out warning, with out explanation, with out telling the reasons...sad, sad thing.
The truth is - you do not owe us.
We joined this place for many reasons, but it's not you who hold us here but friendships we gained along the way, and passion of people who post here.
You dare to change the logo adding little note "Flickr loves you"...Well - if you love us, don't try to change us...
And for what happend lately I have two words: cenzorship AND domination. I say no to both.
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@Quizz...
FULL ACK.
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CENSORSHIP WILL NOT WORK ON THE INTERNET.
(...or do you really think it does?)
So, flickr, if you want to keep your customers, go back and remove your filter-crap.
Thanks.
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only money counts. flickr used to be different. nowadays a lawyer comes around saying "we might get sued about this..." and whoops! it's gone. I'm glad lawyers don't have access to WMD's...
I just hope some flickr staff & decision takers still have a conscience.
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@Quizz..
I'm totally agree with you
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tillwe: If I understand it right then: Different rules for different countries is what we are looking forward to. Something that is already being practised with certain totalitarian states. No more global village, back to the stone age!
I would still like to have it confirmed by Flickr Staff?
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spiegel.de comes up with a newer and larger entry about this: www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,488542,00.html
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Follow me! And show your angry FACE to the public!
Posted 13 months ago.
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It totally sickens me that they go to bed/away/somewhere without a single statement that explains this step!!
and I mean explain - not tell us that they might eventually answer in some period of time.
any developers here? let's start something new. with an import from this piece of junk!
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@staff: what now strikes me the most is that you 'don't want to say things that are not true'
How odd is that?
Before you guys said that it was decision to have made and a lot of discussion has been going on before deciding to do this. For sure you could have anticipated that it would raise a lot questions. I think you should have had your stories straight already when deciding to implement this nonsense as to give a proper response. This looks all very unprofessional....
Posted 13 months ago.
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I guess that the team who built Flickr is financially secure. They have been acquired by Yahoo!, and so there is no need to bother with users' demands or desires any longer. Yes, they might listen, but the survival of the company does not depend on it (nice, isn't it?).
That happens when a company is becoming too big, too bloated, too arrogant. Unfortunately, even when all the posters in this thread leave Flickr, it will be hardly noticed by anyone "out there". There simply are too many who do not care whether a few pictures here and there are missing...
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maybe they went ahead of themselves and are in the middle of cenzoring their own statement...
i'm sure we won't see the bottom of this anyway....
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First I want to say, that I thank flickr for this experience. And I mean it !!!
Censorship in China… that’s far away…. And I did not live in the former German Democratic Republic. So I had no idea what censorship is about.
Now to what happens on flickr actually. For me it is plain to see that they don’t say anything because it is not them who decides ! I think they sit like Odysseus between Skylla and Charybdis. One is Yahoo and the other is us – the community.
I think it is all about money. And I don’t talk about the silly 29.95 $ we pay each year. This is peanuts to them. And compared to the amounts Yahoo might have to pay (or how much the stock price will fall) when they get in trouble with the German government it IS peanuts.
And I learned recently that Yahoo is in trouble anyway because the stock prices ARE falling…
tillwe pointed out in the same direction.
Some of you think, it has nothing to do with the German government. But it is interesting that the first thing my husband said when he heard about censorship: This is because of the former and actual Minister of the Interior. They want to make even providers reliable for the contents on their servers.
Ozone71 aimed at this too:
The issue as I see it is that Flickr is trying to protect themselves from something we are not aware of. There have been discussions in Australia to force servers of data to self censor.
I think there is a strong effort taken by German government to do this ! But this is as if you would blame a carrier for what is in the boxes he is transporting !
Maybe most of you have the impression we in Germany are living in a free country. I think I would see it like this if I had no teenage son. But in terms of youth protection they are going mad !!!! I have a son who now is aged 17. When he was 14 he loved Eminem. No chance for him to get a CD without me ! Before that I had never heard of „parental advice“. But in Germany it is no „advice“. They charge shops which sell a CD like this to a 14-year-old boy really much money ! I will never forget this: One day I was in a huge „Media Markt“. And nearly every CD with stories and such for children had „parental advice“ !!! We had had a gun rampage at a school which was really heavy. And those guys and girls in the „Bundestag“ who normally need yeeeears to make a law had tightened the law for protection of the young within a few weeks. Now every CD like „The little Icebear“ had to be labelled for which age it was allowed. And because no fairytale CD had this, they were under „parental advice“ as long as they had printed the exact age on it. Even my son would not have been able to buy one….
When I was young no-one ever asked your age when you went to the cinema. Now they are all afraid of the authorities and they have to pay much money in case they ignore the law.
On his 15th birthday we – both parents and the „child“ – wanted to see „Matrix reloaded“. It was impossible because it was only for 16 year old kids. It does not matter at all, what the parents think about it ! (I know – there are too many parents in Germany recently who literally let their children starve to death and such, so it is better the authorities decide…)
I could tell you more and more examples for the increasing hysteria in Germany !
And of course it is not the circumstances that make children booze ! Or not go to school. Or have such a faint feeling of self-worth that they go mad… No ! No problem to cut the money for primary schools and such !!!! Just make some tightened laws…
Anyway: I think those are right who look for explanations in our own country too !!!
That is why I just mailed to the Ministers of the Interior and of Justice if they have any explanation why flickr(=yahoo) is in such a rigor of anxiety.
And I thank Remmy1 for this link to the Bundestag. I’ll find out my representative….
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