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OK, I'm not interested in video on Flickr. No big deal, I just won't watch it.
HOWEVER, I am interested in all the illustration and graphic work that has been excluded from explore as "not photography".
Come on, Flickr, be fair - if it's not "just" photography any more, let graphics back into explore.
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Feature Request:
I'd like to see advanced options for searching groups to select video only or photo only groups. A lot of video only groups have popped up overnight, and it would help to see them. Also, this feature must appease people who want to join groups that disallow video.
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Can Flickr assure us that the uploading of Videos will not cause more Flickr hiccups to occur?
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It's frankly disgraceful that you have not allowed users the option of saying (by default) "I don't want to see videos". Especially in search results.
I know you've invested too much in this awful feature to turn it off, but PLEASE MAKE IT GO AWAY!!
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I think Flickr should be for photos only. There are other places for videos. Since the videos have been added, I have noticed more slow-downs and hiccups.
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As I see it, here's where I stand.
1. No videos in Explore. They don't belong there anymore than graphics and screenshots do.
2. Give me a seamless video-free experience so I can 'opt-out' of Flu-tube.
3. No video allowed in comments. And while you're at it, take GIFs out, too.
That will appease ME at least until renewal time when I have to re-evaluate my existence here on Flu-tube.
*Oh yeah, if site blow ups increase it will be assumed that it's due to video that I don't use so I'll be looking for you to tack additional days onto my membership for every accumulated 24 hours that the site is down.
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we need a video only explore though, I don't think I could handle a cat video done in HDR.
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In the meantime it will be that much harder to get shots into Explore
Life's a bitch.
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I am not against Flickr adding video to its fold ... there is much potential to be had if done right. 90 seconds worth anyways.
HOWEVER (as big as a however can get), I am 100% against how it has been implemented, in which the joining of a NO TO VIDEOS group and signing their petition has been done on my part.
My issues are:
(1) Explore mixing the photography and videography together ... excluding illustrations and other art ... though this feature had already lost all credibility with me long ago, in which I am greatly surprised my negative feelings towards it could actually deepen. If this rubbish of a feature needs to continue to exist, at least separate all of the mediums and not altogether exclude any of them.
(2) The inability to click a single preference that excludes video from your Flickr experience altogether. I for one do not plan to add video content now or in the future, nor do I have an interest in seeing it. Flickr for me is a photography sharing site, nothing more. Would love to keep it that way for myself and all others that feel the same, but feel no need to completely close the door to those who want this.
(3) Most important ... The lack of fixing, adding, making better all the workings of Flickr before today and that of which has been continuously requested by all of those who use the service. Sorry, I personally would be more excited to be able to control what the square thumbnail versions of all my photos look like.
I said my piece ... whatever that may be worth.
[Edited to include those that were excluded.]
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striatic,
You must be a mod in disguise?
Let me help you with something. It's not yet 9AM on the West coast of the US. There are a LOT of users who don't know about this yet. The users who count are the paying users (at least as far as the bottom line goes). I've been quoted in the local newspaper promoting Flickr. To say I'm a HUGE fan is an understatement. I actively administrate several groups. I joined in Dec. 2004. I’ve been here a while. I've see a lot of the community that has developed here and a lot of the community that has developed on other sites. Specializing in one thing and doing a really good job facilitating it has been the touch stone of this site from the beginning and what has made it unique and worthy of special interest and consideration.
Change is GREAT! IF it is moving you toward your mission statement. I understood the mission statement of flickr to be “Create and facilitate a fantastic world wide community of photographers.” Adding video does not work towards this goal. It splits already strained resources between projects.
It is a HUGE technical undertaking and will SUBSTANTIALLY impact the performance of the site (already has) even with serious hardware upgrades. Pro accounts are unlikely to be enough to pay for the additional resources required. The merger with Microsoft is going to be complicated enough as it is. Adding major complexity during a time of upheaval is asking for trouble!
The list of possible photography related improvements that could be added and revenue generating is rather long to say the least. Why not tap into those instead of biting off more than can be swallowed with a fundamental change such as this? I understand that diversifying is an attractive business model but moving from just wheat to adding livestock has serious ramifications! Namely: What the heck are you going to do with all the sh*t?
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I want my ART on Explore Now! Declare null and void the devils agreement made for those who were nipsa'd for their art.
[image removed]
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Shadowgolem there are a LOT of users who don't know about this yet. The users who count are the paying users (at least as far as the bottom line goes).
And I've been running searches this morning on various tags limited to video only, and there have been many videos uploaded by non-video-beta users in just the past 12 hours. Many people like and appreciate the addition, and have even created video only groups. These people are also Pro account holders, and are not vocal here since they are simply going about their business adding video and not jumping into the fray (they may not even know this fray exists).
So, it's running both ways right now: a lot of user who don't want video and a lot of users who are embracing video.
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Come on people - this is really no different than adding a new graphics file type. This is being blown way out of proportion. This is in no way, shape, or form going to turn Flickr into a YouTube of crap video.
Everyone just relax and see what happens. If this truly does bring Flickr down, guess what? Another, better site will pop up to fill the shoes. No big deal.
Deep breath... it'll all be OK.
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Taken from your own description:
About Flickr
Flickr is a revolution in photo storage, sharing and organization, making photo management an easy, natural and collaborative process. Get comments, notes, and tags on your photos, post to any blog, share and more!
I guess soon it would have to change to say: we were only pictures, but decided to copy the thousand other sites with videos.
Flickr should be for photos only, how long until they add MP3, auctions, wikis, etc?
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My biggest problem with it is, I don't want to have to deal with videos. Please let me have a swith to not show them to me.
If there were somewhere as great as Flickr just for still photographers.
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EdV_Photo I guess soon it would have to change to say: we were only pictures, but decided to copy the thousand other sites with videos.
If you read this thread, you'll learn that Flickr has been planning on implementing video for the past few years.
It's a hand in hand compliment (video and photo), and it makes sense to me.
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Shadowgolem "I joined in Dec. 2004."
Then you probably missed the comment earlier that year where Stewart said video was in the works.
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Flickr is a place for photographers. If people want to put videos on the internet, use YouTube! There are already at least 2 groups on Flickr titled NO VIDEOS ON FLICKR and one has 7,053 members. Another has 2,776. To make everybody happy, Flickr should at least change it so you can have an account preference as to whether each member can upload videos or not, according to thier liking. So "Flickr: Photos and Video from birdnest1384" becomes "Flickr: Photos from birdnest1384", and so forth.
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Yeah... gotta add my two cents. Flickr is already becoming quickly over-run with scumbags, pedophiles, and ne'er-do-wells. I'm, frankly, sick of seeing the porn that people post. And by that, I do not mean artistic, even erotic, photography. I mean porn filth. We all know what that means - I don't need to spell it out. Adding video means my senses get to be further assaulted by this rubbish. I vote for an option to OMIT viewing video content.
I did not join Flickr for video. I joined for the love of photography and those who pursue it with the zest, zeal, and passion that I do. For those that have their little P&S cam that does video and want to post endless 90-second clips of scruffy running around the bedroom, I'm sure this new 'feature' seems great. For me, it's pointless both in regards what I want to contribute as well as what I want to get out of my "Flickr experience".
There already is a site that does this, you know. You have heard of YouTube? Don't screw up this happy little place in your misplaced multimedia ambitions. Sometimes the simplest things work. It has for Flickr... up until now.
(oh, and as a smarmy content, why don't you just go ahead and add animated emoticons and useless plugin applications, so Flickr can be just like FaceBook)
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@tsfisher: I am starting to feel like in school of birth becouse each time Flickr introduce the new feature I have to breath _really_deeply...
do anybody out there collect those ideas of ours, or you are waiting guys for us to get tired?
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Well, one consequence I can begin to see already. Once there are a lot of videos uploaded, you'll be begin to see a lot black blanks in the photostreams and on the "interestingness" pages. Won't THAT be a big improvement.
Like almost everyone else is saying (to no avail, I'm sure): bad bad BAD idea.
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I still don't know what to think about it.
I understand the “long photos" concept, and we'll sure see some good videos here, and restrictions (limiting the size of those videos and restricting upload to paying customers) are a good way to limit the amount of copyrighted material...
But I'm really disappointed to see that they choose to implement this instead of improving details that would have made the existing flickr better:
the common threads of "flickr ideas", for example...
There were so many existing stuff to work on...
And now, instead of using our money to solve those "flickr ideas" requests, they'll have to implement better filters first (Well, I hope they will), then improve some video related stuff, as thumbnail generation (letting user choose between a few extracted thumbnails), new formats, etc.
While we wait for the other ideas to be implemented.
But I understand that adding video was more... spectacular, I'd say.
Too bad.
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Flickr is for photography. I joined for that, I respected it for that, and use it for that. But if the goal here is to become some kind of media-serving homogeny it's clear that Flickr is on its way to becoming huge and popular but essentially useless. It was its specifity that gave it strength - to dilute that now is, in my opinion, a bad decision indeed. So many different ways you could have grown the company - video was not the way to go.
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ClintRiter Once there are a lot of videos uploaded, you'll be begin to see a lot black blanks in the photostreams and on the "interestingness" pages.
This issue will be resolved when Flickr rolls out the ability to let users choose the cover frame.
Right now the inability to select the cover frame is a hindrance to video since the cover video selected now often is not indicative of what's to come.
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WORST IDEA EVER!
Since the second I heard about it, I've been considering my four year long membership.
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Oh I see. Image removed? Censorship! Address the issue flickr staff! Allow ART on Explore.
You obviously don't want to be fair about this.
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Videos on flickr? I say no!
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Please get rid of this feature. Video should not be here. There are plenty of other sites for that. I will not renew my pro account until I see how things go with this. Perhaps it could work but I highly doubt it.
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Robertv! (Edinburgh, UK) posted-
This does not appear to be documented anywhere.
What is the dimensions of the video frame that Flickr is processing to?
Which Codec is best to use, to reduce your processing?
What frame rate should we optimise to?
Should we render as I or P? (Probably P.)
What is your audio sample rate etc for playback?
Thanks Robert, we'll be adding more detail as we go on, so stay tuned!
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I've been quoted in the local newspaper promoting Flickr.
so have i.
To say I'm a HUGE fan is an understatement.
ditto here.
I actively administrate several groups.
me too, whoopedeedoo.
I joined in Dec. 2004.
i joined february 2004.
I’ve been here a while.
i've been here longer.
i don't see what any of that has to do with anything.
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I'm not opposed to technological advances, but I think you have spoiled something special about Flickr. I doubt feedback is going to change anything, but it would have been better not to mix the two. I'm not at all interested in seeing video clips here, and am a passionate supporter of photography as a medium. flickr used to be a photographer's place - please don't destroy one of the most successful sites of its kind. Can there be a switch that allows me to restrict and not see any video posts and keep flickr looking/working the way it did in the past?
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mmm...you don't even hide that you don't give a damn about what the rest of us think...treating the comments like air... except the ones that are not against videos... ouch
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Kevin What do you have to say about the issue of Art on Explore as opposed to Videos on Explore?
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I insist; bad idea. Flickr WAS the better PHOTO sharing community. Now is the worse webshots clone I ever saw.
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Flickr is a place for photographs and photographers. It has played a key role in furthering photographers skills and gaining confidence. It should remain a place for photographers and stay just for Photographs.
NO TO VIDEO!!!!
NO TO VIDEO!!!!
NO TO VIDEO!!!!
NO TO VIDEO!!!!
NO TO VIDEO!!!!
NO TO VIDEO!!!!
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No video on flickr it is photography based web sit this is a bunch of crap in stead of this y dont you let us have a black page for s to view our pics on........
Photos only photos only photos only photos only
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Please stop the video posting function here, Flickr is just for photography, and what I paid for is a photography site, we just want a PURE PHOTOGRAPHY COMMUNITY.
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@PayPaul: they are totally for keeping the videos on explore as far as heather's one is in top 10 out there ;)
j/k
am I not? :)
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I think the new Videos feature is AWESOME! Thanks Flickr!!
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birdnest1384 that's what I'd like to see to happen too. Any member/user setting in the personal profile the type of media they upload and the page title to be drawn from this information. So if the user chooses to upload only photos, it would say "Flickr: Photo from user", etc.
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"..as we go on, so stay tuned!" oye, dejavu.
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Its quite surreal when the staff post comments to the people with positive things to say knowing the topic is awash with frustrated flickr users
The last one from Kevin is quite funny, he posted knowing the board is full of hate at the moment and all he does is reply to Robertv with a reply which ignores the general consensus here. Stay tuned indeed!
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it's cool, jinglejammer, but NOT in this form...
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How about flickr just emailed all of the pro users, do you want video yes or no?
Say if it's 50/50% or even 40/60% vote, perhaps I wouldn't mind so much if flickr made the choice for us, but what if it was a 20/80% not in favour (i.e. no one wants it) then why should we have it imposed? We'll never know what everyone wants beacuse flickr wont do this will they?
We can argue the pros & cons conceptually until the cows come home but to me it fundamentally changes the nature of the content on the site.
Before you say it, I know it's not a democracy (its a business) but ultimately we the pro users pay for the site. I don't want a youtube site, I go there for that, so does everyone else.
Regardless flickr have made the choice for us & lets face it realistically video isn't going to go anywhere simply because they wont listen to those who want (and were sold) a photography site. I'm sure some marketing demographic meeting at yahoo has said 'flickr needs video'.
What I'd really like is an opt out of all video content, just a nice simple user preference check box. Job done.
Why cant we have that? Please?
thanks
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What Cracked Butter just said.
ditto.
Selective hearing in the extreme.
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 - One of the things that I'm most concerned about is my workplace's firewall.
We're blocked from sites like YouTube because of streaming video, and I'm worried that I'm going to lose the ONE site I can enjoy at work because of this.
Is this something that's being taken into consideration?
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Its quite surreal when the staff post comments to the people with positive things to say knowing the topic is awash with frustrated flickr users
I'm not sure what staff would say to frustrated users. The feature is here, and they will not be removing it. They mentioned several times in the past year in the video threads that have sporadically popped up that video is coming to Flickr.
Well, now it's here.
Besides, Kevin's response was to clarify that more detail will be added to the information about video. That's hardly some conspiracy; it's information being passed on to a user who obviously wants to use video on Flickr and needs more info about how it works.
What response would you like Flickr to tell the naysayers? They aren't going to say, "OK, we'll remove video now." It's here, and it's staying, clearly.
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hm. i see that anti-video users are finding videos on explore and posting annoying anti-video images all over the comments.
pure class.
do you honestly think theatrics like that are going to make anyone find your position more reasonable?
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I'm sure some marketing demographic meeting at yahoo has said 'flickr needs video'.
No, as has been said many times in this thread, video was part of the plan for Flickr pre-Yahoo. Back in the day.
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Why are the staff members ignoring the post of people that on't like the idea of video? I don't understand.
I'll ask this of the staff, will there ever be a chance of having a seperate photo sharing site and a seperate video sharing site.
I need help with this. I have no problem with video, I just have a problem with video on flickr.
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It is very frustrating to ask a question, one which appears to be a valid one due to the numbers asking it, and not have a single staff member respond with even so much as a "stay tuned".
It's especially frustrating to those who may not like video, but are willing to give it some time before turning on the hate blinders.
While I'm glad Kevin responded to Robert's question as it's a good one, I really wish someone would respond to the multiple posts about the video filters.
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nice idea.
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What an astonishingly crap new feature, Flickr. Well done.
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This is not what I paid for! *shakes head in disappointment and searches for a new hang out*
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hm. i see that anti-video users are finding videos on explore and posting annoying anti-video images all over the comments.
Oh the irony. This from the crowd that says video will dumb down Flickr. So, yea, posting tacky and annoying images to video user's streams is somehow appropriate behavior? Somehow this is above childish MySpace/YouTube antics?
Wow -- that really cheapens whatever message the anti-video people have, including any valid points. Cheers.
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striatic,
Facinating that you only addressed the context part of my post and not the substance.
At least admit that you are working or the Admins before you post.
zyrcster,
I was aware of that. I also remember a lot of folks saying it was a bad idea back then. There also were nowhere near the number of users on this site or alternative sites for videos at that time. This site was also not owned by Yahoo at the time. Shall I go on or can you take it as given that we are living in a different world now and should be making decisions based on current events?
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Yes, striatic that is lame. However I'd have to point out that you are part of the pro video faction. I'm just content with posting my crap video as protest. It's had about 14 views already and that in itself is bothersome as Photos I posted early this morning have seen no views or comments. Who's going to pay attention to any of our work now they can click on up to 90 seconds of crap?
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I find it interesting that he has video posted on his stream for days and days and days back but the 'feature' only launched in earnest yesterday? So he's a beta-tester or staff, I guess.
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Video changes the culture and feel of this site. It would have been a better idea for Flickr to launch a totally separate site for video. It won't mean I will leave Flickr but just more likely I will let the Pro account expire and have a non-Pro account. MONEY IS THE ONLY THING THAT TALKS AND IS WHAT WILL MAKE THEM CARE in the long run. Cynical but true.
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I made a After effects group: flickr.com/groups/aftereffects/
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secondly.. RSS breaks now every gadget, photo frame, vista etc! ****************************
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"At least admit that you are working or the Admins before you post. "
He can't admit that; it's not true.
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Greg the Bunny Hates Flickr Video! I find it interesting that he has video posted on his stream for days and days and days back but the 'feature' only launched in earnest yesterday? So he's a beta-tester or staff, I guess.
That's correct, there were a number of beta users testing out video prior to the launch.
And striatic is not staff.
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Striatic, you may find this difficult to believe, but this forum is not about you. It's a place for people to express their views about Flickr's inclusion of video, yay or nay.
You're doing a great job of deflecting the conversation. So helpful.
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The very sad thing of all of this debate over to video or not to video is it's dividing of contacts(some of whom were friendly here) and the division of members of groups. The social side of it and how passionate each opinion is seems to be what may suffer the most as tempers continue out of control.
I personally would be hurt if any of my friendly contacts dropped me from their contact list just because I uploaded a video. While it is just a website, real friendships are built here.
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Who's going to pay attention to any of our work now they can click on up to 90 seconds of crap?
People have always posted crap to Flickr. Photo crap is still crap. It's always been here, though, and somehow we've all managed to find good content. Video is just another form of content. You can ignore it and avoid it by not clicking on it, just as I avoid overblown HDR and crap by not clicking on it.
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@zyrcster, I'm not saying there is a conspiracy, I'm just making an observation, its like walking into a room with a 100 people all upset and you only speak to the 1 person in the room who is happy, answer there question then walk back out. All I said and meant was that its weird, had you read previous pages you would know that I know its here to stay. Don't read too much into what I posted.
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Greg Flickr openly admits to having asked members to beta test. It wasn't a conspiracy.
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Video on flickr? Lame. I'm cancelling my pro account.
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 Never said it was. If Striatic openly admitted he was a beta-tester to begin with it might have colored others' responses to him. He's obviously hugely biased towards it because Flickr invited him to beta it.
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The very sad thing of all of this debate
The other sad part of this debate is that it's all based on conjecture that video will ruin Flickr. Until this is proven to be true, I just don't see it.
What if? is very different from It is!
And the anti-vid people running around Flickr posting their hate-video images in comments actually belittles any point they are trying to make about the potential tackiness of video.
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I've got some overblown HDR I'd rather have someone look at and say something worthwhile about than a silly video that signifies nothing.
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i want to disable the videos on my pages..
im a paid user ..
as well as i can disable adult conte.. i want to disable videos
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I assume that the only valid form of protest in your eyes is a calm reasoned response.
How civilised.
The problem is that history suggests calm reasoned responses are completely ineffective in bringing about any change in policy.
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'Striatic, you may find this difficult to believe, but this forum is not about you.'
so, bringing up that anti-flickr users are gif spamming explore videos is relevant to this discussion, because i'm the one mentioning it?
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Is there a way to filter groups for those that allow video? I'd like to only belong to 'photo only' groups. I will probably wait a couple of days to quit any groups just so admins have a chance to decide if they are photo only or not.
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 flickr is for photos. thats it
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That I agree with completely. Changing names and avatars should suffice. No need to attack those who like it.
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hey-- staff is here and listening to the feedback. We're interested in both the positive and the negative. Thanks to everyone for sharing your thoughts with us!
We hope you'll give this new feature a little time before you completely write Flickr off.
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'The problem is that history suggests calm reasoned responses are completely ineffective in bringing about any change in policy.'
which is why canada is ruled mercilessly by the queen, eh?
i think there's a difference between passionately arguing your case, and gif spamming explore videos.
do you really, honestly think that gif spamming explore videos accomplishes anything, other than being dramatic?
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striatic edited this topic 4 months ago.
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 Agree.. filter for PHOTOS ONLY in streams and groups
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He's obviously hugely biased towards it because Flickr invited him to beta it.
Listen, we didn't sit around in the beta test and eat cherry pie and singing songs to each other. There was civil debate about potential issues and feedback was given to staff that wasn't always Gee it's all perfect.
There are valid things to discuss about how video on Flickr could be improved, but posting I hate video isn't offering constructive criticism.
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I have no problem with adding video to Flickr, in fact I welcome it, but having a separate 'photostream' and 'videostream' would be preferable.
A large part of Flickr's appeal to me is the large number of third-party extensions and plugins that allow me to flow my flickr content onto my various sites. Right now, the videos are breaking all of them.
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is not hating video.. it having a place JUST for photo
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Changing names and avatars should suffice. No need to attack those who like it.
I agree. I think protest is fine, but when it crosses the line into incivility and using the very tactics that are being protested, then it just makes for chaos, and all the valid points in the debate are then lost.
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yes, exactly,modernishfather.
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