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Isn't there any way you can ban that person?
Or complain to both iStockphoto and Flickr?
How dare these people do this? I'm quite
concerned about it. Then again, how can we
actually protect our photos in Flickr, apart
from putting a watermark on them?
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Scum, pure and simple scum! What's worse is
that photography as good as your is being
stolen for use on iStockphoto. Talk about
underselling your work as it's clearly worth
much more.
Of course where YOU sell it is YOUR choice
and anyone else ripping it off deserves to be
castrated at the least as punishment for
being the thieves they are.
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That was not nice at all!
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Too bad! :(((
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I thought you watermarked all your photos
after the last case of such thievery - has it
been removed from the pic they're selling?
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shaneosullivan... It's very very very very easy to bypass a
watermarked... The copyright infringement is
unfortunately a problem when we publish
something on the web...
rebekka Hope that you'll have a reparation soon !
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That really sucks!
I can't understand why someone would
actually lower themselves to do that. I've
seen this happen on Flickr too - it just
pisses me off!
What can be done about it?
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ughh how aweful :s
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How come have they managed to get 25 (!)
pictures?! Disgusting thing to discover.. so
sorry and hope they will be punished!
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Makes me angry and makes me want to go home
and make a watermark so big you can't see the
picture anymore, but then what's the point,
right? This sucks.
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Rebekka - it's sad that some talentless
asshole is stealing your beautiful work. Can
you contact the Police in your country for
such blatant theft (fraud)? Good luck
however you proceed . . .
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It's a shame that people steal. You can
always look at it as you are better than they
will ever be, but that doesn't pay for your
hard work, or your bills.. I guess it is
not hard to digital watermark your images,
but do any of them get along with Flickr?
www.uconomix.com/Products/uMark/Default.aspx
www.visualwatermark.com/
www.digimarc.com/mypicturemarc/support/waterm
ark-guide.asp
are just three of several that I found.
The last one works with Photoshop, but allows
both visual and covert watermarks.
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You should call iStockphoto and make a
complaint about this immediately
here are the phone numbers. i think calling
them is the best and fastest method.
Call toll free: 866-478-6251
International: +1 403 265 3062
Fax: 403 265 3062 or 403 262 2585
Mail: 1202 - 20 Avenue SE
Calgary AB T2G 1M8
Canada
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Hey
I am a member of iStockphoto. I think you
should inform the website and ask them to
take action against the uploader. They always
ask for a declaration that all rights belong
to the uploader and he is the sole owner.
Failing this they should be able to take
legal action against him. If you think I
might be of some help, do let me know.
Cheers!
A
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This is a job for a copyright infringement
lawyer.
Bring a shotgun to their place.
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@shaneosullivan: they targeted mostly old
shots that arent watermarked (i simply never
got around to marking all of them, its
extremely time consuming to replace every
photo)
Just wanted to let people know that they
need to be wary of stock photo sites like
this, this can happen to anyone.
wether or not people watermark their photos
isn't really the point, its never your fault
if someone steals something from you.
and watermarks can of course be
photoshopped out easily, unless they're huge.
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frechheit!!!!!
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i had an image 'stolen' from flickr. it made
it's way to a large circulation london
newspaper. luckily i was informed by another
flickr person of its use. i contacted the
editor, who blamed 'junior staff' for this
highly unusual error. the editor offered 'x'
amount. i requested the 'market rate' and a
verbal and written apology.
the editor refused to pay market rate so
living in the UK i went through the on-line
small claims court (took 30 minutes). end
result received payment six times more than
the editor offered and also got my apologies.
moral of the story. remain calm, factual, go
through the legal channels and ultimately
fairness prevails. however, how bloody
annoying it is when others steal....
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how can this be? surely their hi-res version
is going to be rubbish if they upsample your
version? Maybe a alert IstockPhoto.
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Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!
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Aren't the photographs protected? I don't
what level of protection you've put on them.
That however matters little now. I'd send a
pointed and direct letter reminding them that
the stock photos are indeed yours and ask for
them all to be removed or else further action
will follow.
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That's disgraceful!
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This is something that makes my blood boil!!
Why do these idiots think its okay to take
someone else's work and pass it off as their
own?! How can we better protect our work? It
makes me feel so vulnerable to know that this
can happen. Its essential that Flickr and
iStockphoto become better gate keepers of
the work of rightful owners. If not, we will
all definitely suffer. I'm so sorry to hear
about this Rebekka! Fight for your right to
create!! 
A petition should be started!!
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This is a scandal really.
However, I can hardly put the blame on
istockphoto because how can they know if I
put for sale my shot or I have taken from
you.
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Yes, they stolen shot everyday, haundred, we
can´t do anything. Eate them
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What a bastard! I just found the account on
istockphoto and he's even got your torso
photo there.
I'm eager to see how istockphoto respond to
this.
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this is sick!
you need to fight for your right!
(copyright... ;))
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i agree, the most that you can do is report
it and have istock take it down, which i am
sure they will do. unfortunately there is no
shortage of scumbags in the world who will
keep doing things like this and how much
control can any company really have over
image theft ?
the problem here is the lack of integrity
and scruples of certain members of the human
race. anything to make a quick buck and damn
the consequences and who you hurt or rip off
in the process.
hopefully they can ban him and his IP and
account and anything else that they can trace
back to him to stop him from continuing to be
able to profit from this sort of thing. well
at istock at least.
btw: how did you find out about it ?
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What a mess !!!! but as Stox have said that
is the web and its bad side. When we are
publishing photos on the web we should know
this kind of consequence. (Why not writting
his name on each photo !!)
To finish i am always surprised to see a
lot of photos on flikr showing kids (boys and
girls) and open to the public....We never
know !!!!
Rebekka you can be pride....your photos are
very good !
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Sue him. Or demand money, according to his
number of sold photos. Maybe even more,
depending on what kind of usage and licensing
the photos have been sold. It's a damage to
your business and you should get compensation
for that.
Istockphoto surely has stats for every sold
image, I think.
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This is horrible.
Have you mailed them?
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Seen on my Flickr home page. (?)
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Steal, stole, stolen.
People have no shame, only want to take
profit with the effort of anothers.
Damn.
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My condolences. This is why I do not let
anyone see bigger pictures on Flickr and why
I have now started visibly watermarking
everything. In short, if it can be seen it
can be stolen.
Issue a cease and desist to istock. Issue a
writ to the user if their details are visible
to you via istock. If not, demand istock
release their details to you. Comb through
istock policy, terms and conditions for a
course of action regarding compensation. I
imagine that they have written their way out
of any obligations to compensate you but if
you can prove they have not made proper
checks as to ownership, issue a claim for
lost income, whatever costs you incurred
shooting the pictures in the first place and
then triple it for damages.
If their response leaves you unsatisfied,
change the name of this photo on your stream
to something more illuminating as to istock's
role in allowing your photos to be stolen and
re-sold. If nothing else it will get found
via Google like my page was when it happened
to me......
www.flickr.com/photos/alfiegoodrich/441823365
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@amir.s: true, its probably very difficult
for them to keep track of that, except if
each member had to somehow show proof that
the pictures in question are indeed theirs to
sell.
It's an annoying business, any way you look
at it.
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I've just added a comment on iStockphoto on
this picture about the infringement. Hope it
helps.
A
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That sucks.
I say we should ALWAYS sign our pics, even
if they lose pixels and look worse.
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How did you find out about this?
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Oops! Thievery again. Can't believe it!
I hope a lot of people read this post and
hope this thread does not end like the one
last year which was deleted by the Flickr
staff.
I'll digg this, if this is ok for you.
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And they keep screwing around with my
application to be a contributor. Jerks!!!
Good thing you water-mark all of your new
stuff now. Good luck with this.
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This is disgusting!
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I will soon be leaving Flickr with heavily
watermarked versions of my pics only. All of
my work not encased in Flash at my own
website will be in my online store at
digitalrailroad.
I have just added this page to stumbleupon
too.
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sorry. always idiots out there. with the
internet we a more aware of it. best of luck
with getting this taken care of.
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thats sad, go for it and fight .. I mean, if
Stockphoto is a serious company, they will
put charges against that member I may hope
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good luck, hope this crappy event will get
sorted out soon
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don't know if you are in some kind of society
that manages the rights of photographers,
like we have Sofam in Belgium. They have
their own lawyers (don't have to pay them,
they ask a fee from the penalty that's paid
by those bastards) and don't laugh with this
kind of misuse. Their claims reach very
high, and companies think twice before they
use a picture.
Also Flickr should take care.
Succes.
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That is despicable!
How do they get the bigger size image that
they sell? Is your photo safe if you have theall sizes button switched off on your flickr account??
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Best bet is to contact istock, the person in
question will have agreed some sort of
declaration that they own the photos. Along
with your (quite obvious) proof otherwise,
that should be enough for Istock to take
action. I'm sure they will once informed, no
one wants bad publicity. But be careful to be
persistent with them. Might be worth
mentioning to them you've posted this on your
influential flickr site where this issue will
be viewed by many, it might spur them on a
bit - sometimes big companies take ages to do
anything.
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Holy S$%T! .. how do they sleep at nights!
So how are they pinching them - do they do a
screen grab and resample?
Surely that's a criminal act
somehow/somewhere?
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Rebekka upload low resoultion images only
because if people want something bad enough
they will get it. At the least they will get
something that doesn't reproduce that well.
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That's disgusting that people do this. I
have a love/hate relationship with flickr. I
love meeting people and learning from others,
but then I hate when I find out that people
have been using my photos without permission.
I watermarked a few of my pics a little late
too. grrrrrr.....
good luck Rebekka and thanks for bringing
attention to this.
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btw, this photo has been on there for over a
year, it was obvioulsy grabbed before i
started watermarking any of my stuff , and
before i disabled the "all sizes"
button (tho i repeat, watermarking really
doesn't change that much, it can be ps-d out)
, i still have lots of images here on flickr
that aren't watermarked, because it takes a
lot of time to go back and resize and
reupload marked images.
This is just a matter of principal, people
are doing this all the time, the more
discussion about it, the better.
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That plain sucks.
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A shame...
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With 80% of his photos being stolen from you
I'd think they could have caught it! It's an
outrage and I hope you can do something about
it!
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As an istock member I really think is bad
news for every photographer!
I'm pretty sure when you email and notify
istock they will remove this member and all
the images. Istock depend on members acting
honestly and working within the rules and
guidelines.
I would imagine you could easily take legal
action of some form to recoup any false gains
that this member as made using your images.
I would kick up a very big stink if I was
you and make this a very public story perhaps
using the press and photography magazines.
Getty images own Istock and this is something
they would want to keep quiet.
I fill really sorry that you have been used
in this way, but please note most Istock
members are honest and respect the ownership
issues of other photographers.
Good Luck!
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One of my clients runs a company in the UK
called Codel. Their system of data
authenticity cannot stop things being stolen
but it can prove irrefutably that it is your
work by you embedding the mark, uploading it
to an online repository where it stays in an
audit trail until you need to retrieve it to
prove that it is yours in any legal case.
Their software is free to use for people
using it at our sort of level. Give it a
look. In this case probably not an issue but
for anyone out there trying to argue the toss
on ownership, it could be useful.
www.codelmark.co.uk
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Disgusting, it's happening again. I guess
you'll have to watermark all your photos.
Mine are not good enough to be stolen, so I
don't have that problem. I don't know if I
should be happy or sad about this, though.
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Tomek Wawrzyczek [deleted] says:
Have a lawyer? Call him/her now!
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where's charlie? [deleted] says:
I think you'll have to accept that once an
image is uploaded to the internet. It's
gone. It's a shame, but it's a fact.
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It's a shame.. I think istock is very
professional and it could go penalty against
this idiot... But.. a question.. how the guy
have your high resolution images?? did u put
them on flickr??
I aked this because I had a lot of problems
sending photos to istock they said that at
100% zoom my photos have too much noise (I
downloaded tons of photos from getty and are
worst than mine) they're too much severe!
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I think the most important impact of this
case is on iStockPhoto. Such cases can ruin
them if they don't deal with it promptly.
It's in their best interest to sue the
thief themselves. They should also report to
you how many copies of your works were sold
and send you the money you deserve according
to the set price.
Then, they should sue the thief for that
amount as well.
(If you're selling your photos in other
sites for different amounts, the higher
amount should count for each image)
Since it's not really feasable to reclaim
the photos sold to innocent buyers, that's
not a likely option.
Taking such actions will give them very
good publicity, will draw more artists and
shoppers to their site and maybe even get you
to use their site to sell some of your works.
Good luck.
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This image is still for sale on Istock! And
the guy's had 94 downloads! You have got to
get in touch with them and get his portfolio
removed at once.
www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/life/nature/
animals/2336...
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Sadly this is the price of the modern world
we live in. It is disgusting but it is just
another step on from Downloading music
illegally, buying hooky DVDs, fake Rolexes,
counterfeit goods and so on. As a higher
profile and talented individual you are bound
to be targeted. Even I have found a couple of
my images making their way onto the myriad of
mobile screensaver sites and penny stock
sites.
Ensure they fully compensate you and make
public the monies gained from these images.
In the reality of stock photography it more
than likely won't be much but it could be
more than you might think.
It's sadly not your first encounter with
this is it and it surely won't be your last.
A few weeks back I was pointed to the site of
a wedding photographer in London who was
using someone else's work on his site in his
portfolio ! The individual claimed innocence
saying he had bought some of the images as
stock from the website designer ! It begged
the question WTF was the guy doing showing
work off on his website that he hadn't even
taken. The mind boggles. Where there is money
to be made there are crooks in every facet of
life and the internet just makes it far
easier for them to operate.
Good Luck at getting it sorted and it will
be interesting to hear how it pans out.
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Bad news :(
The *only* way to stop your hi-res images
getting stolen from the internet is to never
upload them. Even if you upload high res's
and have 'all sizes' disabled it wont take
too much for the determined thief to steal
them.
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this is one of the worst acts of plagiarism i
personally could expect to find! someone
selling 25 of your images as their own, on a
stock site.
Really sorry to hear about this Rebekka,
and good idea to share this kind of stuff
with your Flickr audience, as they can offer
solutions and suggestions and general group
moral support... hope you get this sorted. x
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this is so unbelieveable !
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that's really shitty. sorry you've been
affected. hope it gets sorted quickly. and
good on you for sharing this experience so
that more flickr users are made aware of the
problem! x
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please take the person selling the photos to
court for every pennt they have, your photos
are amazing, you deserve to receive any money
this person has earnt from your work. good
luck in suing their ass!
dan
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there are digital watermarks available that
are not visible in the image. There are also
companies that will trawl the web looking for
your digital watermarks.. see www.digimarc.com/mypicturemarc/
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i hate to say it but I think the only real
protection is to upload really low res files
with a very huge invasive watermark across
them. It would have to be invasive enough
that they would destroy the photo trying to
retouch it out. It makes it hard to enjoy
the photos, but if istock has the shots how
many other people have stolen them as well.
You can always sue istock and the
person that submitted the photos for
infringing on your copyright. Unfortunately
it is part of the business and with
technology worse than ever. On the upside the
internet gives you great exposure world wide
and could launch careers. Millions of us
would never have seen your awesome work
without flickr.....
Keep up the great work and find a
lawyer willing to work for a portion of the
winnings. In the states they take a third.
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death to the infidel who is pulling this
crap.
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No me lo puedo creer! me parece increible!
robar fotos se esta empezando a convertir en
un habito para mucha gente.
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Terrible story !
I don't know what to say !
Frustrating !
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I'd say you should complain to iStockPhotos
so you could get back the money the bastard -
sorry : thief - earned, and create your own
account there so your photos could be
credited to you (and make a little $ with
them).
Also, if you are really concerned with
theft, watermark your work (e.g. Digimark or
why not DataGlyph, etc...).
I wish you the best.
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i'd like to mention, that this is, for me ,
not at all a question of sueing this guy for
all his money.. i'm a realist, and i know
he's not making any large amounts off my
work.
it is, after all, a stock photography site.
this is , like i've said a few times
already, a matter of principal for me,
and im tired of people saying "if its
on the internet its public property" ,
and comparing image theft such as this to
downloading music. I don't bitch about
people downloading my images, as i can't
possibly stop that in any real way, i only
bitch when someone tries to sell those images
as their own for profit.
its a different matter entirely.
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well, seems like 94 times it has been
purchased...so, you should get some money for
that.
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As an istock member I find this very
disturbing Please contact istock and let them
know about the theft. I'm sure they will
remove the photos quickly and hopefully kick
the offending seller.
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a big hug for you...
An evil man. indisputable.
I've been on this profile, it's even your
picture of you. that's definitely sick.
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He / she should be shot... :-)
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Damn, Rebekka, this is just bad all over. I'm
sorry that this has happened to you, though
not surprised at all. I hope they bust him.
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Æi maður verður alltaf svo pirraður þegar
maður sér svona....
Vona bara að þetta gangi upp hjá þér....
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BTW, I've kind of worked around this problem
(not that I think I'm exposed anyway...) by
adopting the Creative Commons licence.
Since it's practically impossible to
enforce copyrights on the internet, I just
put a minimal set of restrictions on them.
... OK, these can be infringed too. But
isn't it all about visibility?
I agree with you. The $ motivated theft is
more upsetting than the property violation
itself.
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@Schalk79: no one should be shot.
Thanks to everyone for helpful suggestions
about this.. I tried calling istock and they
say their offices are closed.. might be too
early in canada, i'll try that again later..
i can't find any email adress to send an
inquiry to..
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That's ridiculous. How did they get a hold
of the large files? Since you have to submit
large files to istock.
That's horrible.
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quite unfortunate and totally unacceptable.
check out what he said in his "interview" :
iStockphoto: Tell us about a guilty pleasure you have.
vulcanacar: sometimes white lies makes me happy
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How you discovered it?
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i am sure istock is making huge money selling
photos and has deep pockets. i would not
hesitate to sue them and the guy. If there is
no significant downside for the individuals
and companies who steal photos, they will
continue to do it.
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Good luck Rebekka! How did they manage to
download such large sized photos anyway?
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thanks for bringing to to our attention
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@sgoralnick: well now, that's interesting...
@Kassia and others: they certainly didn't
get any "large" file from flickr.
The largest i have on here are probably
around 300 kb. For printing, im using files
that are over 100-200 MB..
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hi rebekka
i received ,once, an email from them asking
if they could sell 5 pics from my stream.
im lookin there to find any of my pics
now...thanks..
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That's appalling. Good luck getting the
photos removed, and I hope that the thief
gets what he deserves. Shouldn't be too hard
for iStockphoto to track him down.
Like others have said, the only way to stop
this is to not upload photos. It's impossible
for websites to prevent - they pretty much
have to rely on members' honesty and
vigilance.
If I had many (any?) photos worth stealing
but still wanted to put them online, I'd only
upload low-res versions. Even if you've
disabled 'all sizes', it may be possible for
someone to bypass it.
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of course the money is not important in the
story, but still, suing him and make him pay
the prejudice is the only
"punishment" he deserves. it is the
only way to officially make people
understand. I would follow the advice of Ash.. and a roving eye.
gosh, I mean, taking the work of someone
else and making money of it... that is just
disgusting :-(.
By the way i don't upload large size
pictures on flickr. only a 900*600 pixel
resized format. because i don't want to see
my pictures used this way. it is far more
effective than watermarking.
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daneil69 [deleted] says:
what can one do...!?!
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Kick their butt hard
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Istock's email address is
service@istockphoto.com if that helps.
Sorry to hear about this :(
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Hæhæ, Sigaðu Knúti Bruun hjá Myndstefi á þá,
ekki spurning.
Kv. Siggi Mar
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I hope you can solve this problem as fast as
possible.
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