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alike writer [deleted] 9:44pm, 3 October 2006
Perhaps I'm being overly observant and kind of picky, but today I've noticed quite a few non-self portatits, and a couple of those aren't current.
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reminiscent haircut [deleted] 14 years ago
Ambrosia and wooble -- OK, let's not all get so stormtrooper on everybody. I posted an admittedly old pic because it played off my 365 from yesterday. It had some relevance to the subject matter and I just wanted those who may have seen Monday's pic (my first 200+ view pic and made Explore's front page).

So you deleted the "old" one. I think you're being a little harsh on a first-time offender. And I've even asked why some people are posting multiple pix per day in the past, so it's not like I'm ignorant of the regulations. It was coming down soon anyway.

I only put it there as a point of reference.

I know it's a tough job running a group, so I won't bitch too much.
amanky 14 years ago
@Saintbridge: perhaps, instead of knowingly adding something to the pool that doesn't belong there... for the mere sake of reference... you could refer to it with a link on the new picture's page?
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
@Saintbridge: If there are other people breaking the rules, please report them here. It is not our intention to single you or any first time rule breaker out, but we feel we have to keep the pool as clean and dedicated as possible. If we allow anyone to post anything (non-self portraits, old portraits, more than one pic per day) then the group would lose its focus and everything that makes it special and it would become "just another picture group" of which flickr has many (not that there is anything wrong with any of them. If you look you'll see that I am a member of MANY groups). I've actually tried very hard to keep the rules as fair and loose as possible but the other admins and I have to do our best to keep things within those bounds. Sometimes we miss something, which is why I ask people to report offenders in this thread.

In any case, Amanky is right. There is nothing wrong with posting a note on one picture referring/linking to another. Or creating a set with your own rules that supercede this group. Anyone following your own personal project will be able to find it, but in the bounds of the main group, you must understand that allowing one off topic picture just sends the message that any offtopic picture can be posted and the group will quickly grow out of control and become the "just another group" that we are afraid of.

I hope that all makes sense. No hard feelings, and good luck as you continue. And congratulations on your explore pic. Thank you for understanding.
ambrosialove 14 years ago
amanky 14 years ago
flickr.com/photos/56314373@N00/367417166/in/pool-365days/
landscape...
I like the fact that this was also in one of my views group (500 to be exact) yet it only had one view when I saw it!
RainAtDawn Posted 14 years ago. Edited by RainAtDawn (member) 14 years ago
I don't see a person in this
www.flickr.com/photos/56314373@N00/351975704/in/pool-365d...

Edit: And it's the same user as above
blakeseely 14 years ago
And another...

www.flickr.com/photos/56314373@N00/367235583/in/pool-365d...

(incidentally, same person as both of the above posts)
mynameismoe 14 years ago
hmm i have a question.
i didn't realize people were so on top of looking at the dates. i tend to have bad boughts of insomnia and sometimes procrastinate taking a picture till past midnight (to be honest, most of the time i don't even realize it's technically the next day). then i'll go to bed, and get up and will take a picture as if it's the next day.
but my EXIF data will tell you it was taken on the same day. even though i've gone to bed for the night, and have gotten up as if it's the next day.

does this count as posting two of the same day?

insomnia is confusing sometimes.
did my query even make sense? yikes. i hope so!
ambrosialove 14 years ago
mynameismoe - it's been stated somewhere before that you can consider a day as either from midnight to midnight or from the time you wake up until the time you go to sleep. I don't think you need to worry too much - unless of course you stay up well into the next day (say, 8am) sleep for only a couple of hours, then take your next photo as soon as you get up (say, 11am).

Admin, correct me if I'm wrong.
Wooble Posted 14 years ago. Edited by Wooble (member) 14 years ago
Many people choose to define "a day" as the period between when they go to sleep and when they wake up, most from midnight to midnight.

If I'm looking at EXIFs, I'll check the time too. In the vast majority of cases brought up here, the photos are taken literally minutes apart in the middle of the day, where no plausible definition of "different day" could possibly apply. If one was taken at like 2A.M. and the other one many hours later, I'd assume you're using the when you go to sleep definition.


EDIT: I dealt with the above floaters.
amanky 14 years ago
just an fyi this has not been dealt with... according to admin, she was asked to remove extras. But, she's since added new pix to the pool, posted in threads, etc. and all pics still stand.

I simply note this as I've had difficulty with this user not understanding 365 from the get go, no matter how much I try to explain it to her and point her to explanations, etc.
mynameismoe 14 years ago
thanks guys! i definitely make sure that enough time has elapsed.
just want to make sure i don't step on any toes!
reminiscent haircut [deleted] 14 years ago
Chris: I really like the group -- and the promise of Flickr as a whole -- and don't want to run afoul of it. But just be sure you don't end up w/ and bunch of people running around splitting hairs and Big Brothering every single post to see precisely what the compostion and EXIF data say. By all means, address persistent offenders, but remember, we're doing this for fun; we're not here trying to create cold fusion.

Thanks.
numberless basket [deleted] 14 years ago
Not for nothing, but I really appreciate the moderators and other 365-ers who self-police the group. I think there are other 365 SP groups that are much more lax about rules, but that's what makes this group so great: the rules.
fluttering arch [deleted] 14 years ago
www.flickr.com/photos/johnsmith/ has just added a rather large amount of photos that don't include him
Hollywood Monkey Posted 14 years ago. Edited by Hollywood Monkey (member) 14 years ago
I have to second peskymac- I really appreciate the mods and others trying to keep a handle on this. There are so many pics added to this pool by the hour- and I really try to look at as many as I can (lately I've been really busy, and when I come upon 7 pics in a row by the same person- I give up)- if the rules were not even as strict as they are, it would be unworkable. So, Saintbridge, I gotta say, it's not like people are checking the EXIF on every pic. Nobody has that kind of time. People check it when they go to look at the pool and see a bunch of pix that either look like they were taken the same day or the person obviously has NO creativity whatsoever and all their pics just look the same. So you check the data to know which one it is.
Keep it up, all you 365 Big Brothers! I for one thank you. Anyone who cheats is only cheating themselves and shouldn't be bothered being called on it.
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
I have once again sent mail to Lauren Robinson.

As far as I can tell, John Smith's pictures aren't actually in the pool. Either one of the other admins already got to him or he removed them on his own.

Thank you everyone for your help. Given the amount of posts in this thread and the kinds of things we've had to remove, I hope you can see why we are so strict about the very few rules that we do enforce, Saintbridge.

Again, thanks everyone and keep up the good work. I love this group and its as much because of all of you as it is because of me. More so, even. If I were doing this on my own, I might have given up long ago.
reminiscent haircut [deleted] 14 years ago
OK, uncle. You all are right and I am wrong. After getting up on the right side of the bed and having a strong cup o joe, I concede. Rave on...
mynameismoe 14 years ago
now, i'm not really one to complain, but this person basically just flooded the pool.
i'm all for catching up if you are a bit behind, but eeks!
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
Pics deleted and mail sent asking them to not do it again. Thank you.
RainAtDawn 14 years ago
As far as I can tell it's 2 people catching up on the one account too, which is fine I guess but the male person has a few pics from the same day which doesn't go with the rules. The running order seems to be all off on the camera as well but I didn't check it that closely.

14th
www.flickr.com/photos/terwilliger911/365080795/
www.flickr.com/photos/terwilliger911/364965182/
www.flickr.com/photos/terwilliger911/364965176/

17th
www.flickr.com/photos/terwilliger911/364965155/
www.flickr.com/photos/terwilliger911/364965157/

16th
www.flickr.com/photos/terwilliger911/364965162/
www.flickr.com/photos/terwilliger911/364965170/
RainAtDawn 14 years ago
Oops took too long to post, sorry!
ambrosialove Posted 14 years ago. Edited by ambrosialove (member) 14 years ago
classy edge [deleted] 14 years ago
i didn't see a person in this one, did i?
www.flickr.com/photos/74956074@N00/368640075/in/pool-365d...
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
Sanna_nix was asked to pick one photo to represent today.

Queenragenta was asked where she appears in the photo. Thank you.
Lazy_Lightning 14 years ago
ok, wow, this person just dumped like 30 photos at once in to the pool. flickr.com/photos/55029060@N00/368951317/

Also, this is cool, but is it a self-portrait? I can see where it could be, but that depends on whether shadows and footprints count as selfies.
flickr.com/photos/danafenia/369139150/in/pool-365days/

And then there's this. Mountains.
flickr.com/photos/56314373@N00/369159819/in/pool-365days/
david_porter Posted 14 years ago. Edited by david_porter (member) 14 years ago
that last one is the forth from Alyas&Nykyta
amanky 14 years ago
re: Alyas&Nykta
thanks for the heads up... they've spammed the same image to my views:# group/s as well... same scenario! twice over.

re:shadows & footprints, I may be wrong... but in the past it's flown free (I'm pratty sure as long as it's not the entirey/majority of your set/submissions you're good to so with a shadow/footprint or two... there are 365 days to cover you know ;))
Wooble 14 years ago
The first one is absolutely positively not my fault, even though I'm the one who told her that her 24 images aren't in the pool and how to add them. I at least told her not to do them all at once. Besides, I don't have the time to clean them up right now, because I have to leave immediately.

The one from Alyas&Nykta has been removed.

I'm torn on the impression in snow one, so I'll leave it there for now. But I've got to say it's more concrete than a shadow (or, for that matter, your reflection), if less, umm, immediately connected to your body.
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
Wooble took care of Alyas&Nykta, I deleted all but the last 5 pics by mamie417 and left her a comment explaining the upload rules.

As for the snow angel on the car. Amanky is exactly right about the spirit of the rule. We allow shadows, reflections, drawings and footprints and the like. I don't want people to make the entire project like this, but the idea is to express yourself creatively, and as such we didn't want to tie people's hands behind their backs by not letting them do fun representations of themselves. At the end of the day, the snow angel in the car is really just a drawing of the photographer, and I think a quite creative entry, and so yes, we will allow it.
Wooble 14 years ago
(yet another Alyas&Kykta landscape deleted)
ambrosialove 14 years ago
You have got to be kidding! That account isn't even doing the 365 days project - I vote we ban them!
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
I don't like banning people (though I will) but I have removed her and asked her to reread the rules before joining again. If she does come back and does it again, we will ban her.
ambrosialove 14 years ago
Heh - I typed 'boot' first instead of 'ban' - I should have left it at boot. I didn't realize banning was so permanent. :S
numberless basket [deleted] 14 years ago
Wooble 14 years ago
Umm, I see lots of hair on the left side there. If that's not someone's head that's one REALLY fluffy cat.
amanky Posted 14 years ago. Edited by amanky (member) 14 years ago
re: banning/booting.
in the groups I run (a whole slew of views & faves) that's how we go about it (at least I do)... a nice warning, followed by a swift booting with another plea to check out the rules and please rejoin if they can play along... and as a last resort: the official ban.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, and opportunities to change their ways. Unfortunately there are plenty of folk with little to no concept of fairplay at flickr, and simply spam as much as they can get away with...

yeesh!

*steps down off soapbox, begins to look around attempting to whistle, realizing she can't whistle, and is really just feigning her own ignorance of her ranting, she walks away, head hung a little lower than before*
numberless basket [deleted] 14 years ago
Doh! Sorry Wooble. It appears that I've gone blind.
cscotchmer 14 years ago
Can't see any sign of anyone in this pic:
www.flickr.com/photos/mj_hosseinpoor/369444452/in/pool-36...
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
deleted. thank you.
amanky 14 years ago
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
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Lazy_Lightning 14 years ago
This one's dated back in 2005. He's got another more recent one in the pool, but this is oooold.

flickr.com/photos/mmunitello/360428934/in/pool-365days/
Wooble 14 years ago
deleted
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
Artbandito has been doing the project since 2005. I don't imagine she's cheating.
amanky 14 years ago
I know you say people can post whatever in the threads "you don't care"
www.flickr.com/groups/365days/discuss/72157594502081391/
but thisis spam!
Wooble Posted 14 years ago. Edited by Wooble (member) 14 years ago
Deleted the spam. Banned the user, as he/she has no photos and belongs to a ton of groups, all of which he/she has apparently also spammed.
Jeanne-Erin 14 years ago
I don't like to complain about these things, but it was frustrating to realize this wasn't a self portrait. flickr.com/photos/grrphoto/331833161/in/pool-365days/
Wooble 14 years ago
deleted.
yellowbike 14 years ago
Oh, this one too, according to his note:

flickr.com/photos/jimfrazier/370776802/in/pool-365days/
Wooble 14 years ago
jimfrazier's photo is fine; you're allowed to have someone else assist you in creating your self portrait as has been discussed at length here.
everyday_stranger 14 years ago
flurokitty 14 years ago
I might be being blind but I don't see anyone here
www.flickr.com/photos/skopelos/364782693/in/pool-365days/
spectacular thumb [deleted] Posted 14 years ago. Edited by spectacular thumb (member) 14 years ago
How can a picture taken by someone else be a *self portrait*?
jenny s. wren 14 years ago
This doesn't seem to be a self-portrait, and it was taken weeks ago?
www.flickr.com/photos/skopelos/337833247/in/pool-365days/
amanky 14 years ago
fluttering arch [deleted] 14 years ago
Wooble 14 years ago
The 4 photos above have been deleted. I'm not going to remove the thread since there have been additional messages posted to it since the original person asked that it be deleted.

@John©: Don't ask me, I didn't do it. There's a consensus that using another person as a sort of living remote shutter release is within the spirit of the rules, and I don't know that anyone really wants to get into a philosophical argument about the particular circumstances behind any particular photo. Actually, I'd be happy to get into a philosophical argument on nearly any topic, but I probably won't be deleting photos put here in good faith based on the outcome.
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
it really wasn't that big a deal. But it is now deleted.
everyday_stranger 14 years ago
ambrosialove 14 years ago
Several in a row from this guy - all from the same day:

www.flickr.com/photos/hotnif/372405069/in/pool-365days/
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
The shoes picture does in fact have feet and is fine.

Hotnif was asked to remove 2 of his 3 day 11 pics.
ambrosialove 14 years ago
Nine photos - from December 15 -23. I'm wondering if we need to anticipate another month's worth of photos coming in . . .

www.flickr.com/photos/timblair/372444653/in/pool-365days/
Lazy_Lightning 14 years ago
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
I sent a warning message to timblair. Didn't bother to remove the images since they're so deep now, and even if he posted them in groups of 3, it would just mean them coming back into the pool at this point and slowing things up even more.

It looks like wooble already removed the cake,
flurokitty 14 years ago
two here fromt he same day april 5th 2001. I understand the data could be wrong because all her photos are froma while ago but it is still 2 on the same day.

www.flickr.com/photos/15557470@N00/373690167/in/pool-365d...
www.flickr.com/photos/15557470@N00/373690168/in/pool-365d...
Wooble 14 years ago
removed one; left the other in case the date from the camera is just wrong.
amanky 14 years ago
at least 3 full rows of just his submissions... round about this one!
www.flickr.com/photos/axiom/374476433/in/pool-365days/
amanky 14 years ago
Wooble Posted 14 years ago. Edited by Wooble (member) 14 years ago
I left a warning message. They were on page 7 of the pool when I came across them, and I'm not sure deleting will accomplish anything per Mav's statement right above.

However, this is becoming more frequent and I'm wondering if we might eventually need to add a posting limit. It would be nice if there was a more granular option than X per day; I'd love to be able to set, say, a limit of 4 photos every 15 minutes.

EDIT: that applies to both of the above, even if I didn't see the seond until after I posted this :)
Lazy_Lightning 14 years ago
Two children:

flickr.com/photos/saariy/335590835/in/pool-365days/


I find it works when I have more than one day's worth of photos, to just post one then wait a few minutes before posting the next one. That puts at least a couple of pictures between each of mine and i don't feel like i'm flooding. If I have more than three or four to post (i.e. after a vacation where i was gone a while), i'll wait a few hours between groups of three or so.
amanky 14 years ago
@wobble.... I see what you all are saying in this, however at the same time I think people are often scrolling through the pool furthar back than the beginning... and there's nothign more annoying then an entire page of the same person (especially when all their shots look the same!)

anywho...

I think that removing them from the pool... forcing them to follow the rules when the repost them, may very well weed out those who simply ignore warnings (I come across this often in the views&faves groups... you delete, and even kick folks... they simply come right back adn continue the same behavior despite the kind written warnings. they are then banned, cause it's just dumb!)
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
kids deleted.

I am still kind of torn on the issue. I really wish I could set a limit of 3 per hour or soemthing like that. I have been thinking I may set a limit of 7 per week. Of course that would pretty much mean the end of anyone ever "catching up" but it would mean you didn't have to post every day. The alternative is to set 5 per day. Which might work. I just don't want people to see it and assume they are now allowed to post 5 pics every day.
cscotchmer 14 years ago
Can you implement a 5 pic per day rule, but not state it anywhere? That would stop flooding but not prompt people to think it was the 365X5 group. People who are trying to catch up will figure it out quick enough when they get the message disallowing their extra posts.
But then if you upload several from a vacation or busy week or whatever, then you would have to wait a while before posting one a day again, which would be a pain in the neck. A "per day" rule might work better.
numberless basket [deleted] 14 years ago
Pretty scene but no person that I noticed:
flickr.com/photos/saariy/358496740/in/pool-365days/
ambrosialove 14 years ago
That's the same guy that had the kid post a few comments up in this thread . . .
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
Saarly's harbor pic has been deleted. If another pic shows up, we'll boot him.
Johannes Martinsson 14 years ago
What am I supposed to do with my month of backlog, if I can't posted more than 3 at a time? :-(
innate thumb [deleted] 14 years ago
I do have a comment to make on this subject also ... I really thought about quitting the challange over petty ass bitchers that have nothing better to do than just look at the shots to see "if you are following the rules or not" what about at least a comment if you are looking at the shot. I did not follow the "rules" totally on one of my shots and even though through my eyes I saw it that i was a part of the shot I did not appear anywhere in the shot and it had to be removed. I am fine with that but to the person that posted my thread on here - why did you not just tell me I did not abide by the rules? I would have complied. If you are taking the time I see if any of us are breaking the rules at least leave a comment ... wow glad I got that out of my system .. now we move on
melodramababs 14 years ago
I think the 5 per day rule would be good. even with a month backlog, you could catch up in a week or so
Jeanne-Erin 14 years ago
Concerning the multiple photos per day: When I joined two weeks ago I started looking at all the photos from the beginning. It is annoying to see nearly a whole page of one person (there is one guy who posts a full week or more each time), but it doesn't seem worth the trouble being spoken of here. Most of them are pictures that I tend to like and enjoy seeing in the group, so it would be unfun if they were booted and then didn't repost their pictures.

It doesn't take a lot of time to get to the next page when you're going through them. Just thought I'd add my two cents.
Wooble 14 years ago
@cscotchmer: No, there is no way to set a posting limit and not have it appear on the group's front page. Not that it probably matters much; how many people do you think actually read the front page of groups they join before adding photos?
Lazy_Lightning 14 years ago
I really like this guy's photos, but he seems to be taking multiples per day and posting them to the pool (he has 26a, 26b, 26c, etc right now).

flickr.com/photos/sxoidmal/375229435/in/set-7215759446215...

Maybe someone should let him know about some of the groups for 365 rejects, etc?
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
asked him to remove two.
Chris_J_UK 14 years ago
Wooble 14 years ago
deleted. It could be argued that footprints in the sand are OK, but he also had 3 from the same day, so I left an actual self-portrait instead of a picture of some sand.
Kaptain Kobold 14 years ago
Not a self portrait (unless the photographer is extremely inobvious):

www.flickr.com/photos/saariy/321224169/in/pool-365days/
ambrosialove 14 years ago
Thanks - he's already been mentioned twice recently in this thread for other photos - I'll give him the boot with a message explaining that our group is for self portraits only.
CLBrannan 14 years ago
OMG -- um IM sorry.. Im all for artistic expression with nudity or whatnot.. but is exposing oneself erect and posting the photo in the group really allowed??????
flurokitty 14 years ago
@CL Brannan - yikes I see the photo you are talking about and I also think it is a little over the top for the group but I am not sure where the line stands. I think it is against the flickr rules though but I can't be sure.
yellowbike 14 years ago
oh. right.

I think there are lots of private groups on flickr for images such as that one. A lot of public groups specify that they don't allow porn, which no doubt leads to debates about what's porn and what's artistic nudity...nothing artistic about this one. oh administrators!
ambrosialove 14 years ago
I've spoken with another admin from the group and neither of us feel comfortable making a decision as to whether that photo needs to be removed; however, I assure you that as soon as Mav gets home, I will bring it to his attention.

Until then, if you find the photo offensive, click the little 'may offend' link and you may find that the problem takes care of itself.
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
Ok, I'm here and weighing in. Ambrosialove pointed me at the pic and I'm going to let it stand. I don't find it pornographic in the slightest, and while I don't really see it as my cup of tea, I think its unfair to say that he isn't trying to make some artistic statement. I'd say he certainly is. Whether he gets there or not is up to the viewer. I certainly understand everyone's complaints, and I really don't want this to be a "pornographic" group, but its like yellowbike says, I don't know that its fair to draw the line. Several women have exposed their breasts here, and I'd find it hypocritical to say that he couldn't do this.

As for where it stands with the flickr terms of service. If someone wants to take it up with them, they are welcome to. As I said in the group rules. I don't want to hamper anyone creatively, but if Flickr terminates you or has a problem with you or whatever, that's between you and them.

I hope that makes sense to everyone.
beebo wallace 14 years ago
don't see any part of a person on this one ...
www.flickr.com/photos/ronwls/376126029/in/pool-365days/
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chrismaverick 14 years ago
I do... its just very hard to see... its a dark room and the person is holding the flashlight. As far as I'm concerned, that counts. The gist of the rule isn't to force people to show us what they look like but rather to force them to find interesting and diferent ways of featuring the same subject (themselves) every day. I'd certainly say that qualifies.
amanky 14 years ago
minor detail... you can't hit the "offensive" button, as it doesn't exist on "private" photos. This is private, made public by posting to the pool the only option is to go all the way down to the bottom of the page and hit "report abuse" and submit your concern to flickr.

while I fully respect Mav's stand, props for creating one and sticking to it.
I honestly don't want to see it, so I chose to contact flickr and let them deal with it, really the best option as I know the group description basically says as such!

*back to enjoying pix*
ambrosialove 14 years ago
@ amanky - I noticed that shortly after making my post.

I finally managed to find what I was looking for. Flickr doesn't care about private photos submitted to public groups which some folks may find offensive, hence the lack of a 'may offend' button. They leave it up to the admins to make the call on anything submitted to their group provided any photos violating the TOS are marked private on that person's stream.

Obviously this is controversial, given the extent of that thread and the fact that it was locked by Flickr staff with a notice for everyone to take some time to cool down.
Lazy_Lightning 14 years ago
OK, this might be the cutest pic ever....
flickr.com/photos/bohemian0317/336303530/in/pool-365days/

But it was taken over a month ago and he doesn't seem to have other 365 photos or anything more recent in his stream.
Wooble 14 years ago
Re: "porn", I'm a bit concerned about this group getting slapped with an 18+ tag, and it should probably be noted that in the US it's probably a felony to add such pictures to the pool if a prosecutor could prove that the person doing so has read the "Am I the youngest one here?" thread, but it's certainly not my call as to what's allowable.

As for the cute deer picture, I'm not about to go back through the pool and delete all of the pictures from people who quit after one photo or try to gauge the time between taking a single photo and adding it to the pool. That one's probably borderline against the spirit of the group, but it's a self-portrait and he hasn't added any others from that day that I can see, so I'm not too worried about it...
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